• Veraxus@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Moderate? Marty Dolan is a full-blown conservative. Why do we keep pretending like being a Democrat means you can’t be a conservative? The DNCs entire top brass is conservative. It’s a conservative party by objective international standards.

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      10 months ago

      Because the Overton window in the United States has many people viewing fascists as friends and anyone further left than center right as “extreme left wing socialist communist Nazi terrorists”.

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        10 months ago

        I hate it when ignorant people conflate Nazis and communists. I have argued with so many dumb people who think that the Nazis were a Socialist party, when the exact opposite is true. These people probably think that the DPRK is democratic, too.

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          10 months ago

          It’d be like thinking the Democrats and Republicans are arguing about whether America should he a direct or representative democracy.

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    10 months ago

    Good. Anyone described as a “moderate” in the US is actually a conservative at best. Anyone described as a “conservative” is actually a fascist at best.

    • Copernican@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      I hate this divisive bullshit. Democracies require pluralities. You need to be a big tent party to govern.

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        10 months ago

        Reality check: Repubs are trying to elect an insurrectionist promising to be a dictator. I’m sorry facts are divisive, I don’t like the situation either.

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          10 months ago

          Sorry. how does AOC defeating democratic moderate in a primary impact a republican getting elected. I don’t think moderate D’s or voting R on the presidential ballot. A moderate Democrat is still voting democrat.

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        10 months ago

        The most divisive people in politics don’t want that big tent to be a governable coalition. If you appeal to big tent politics they start trying to incite violence including political subjugation of the same opponents that you’re trying to appeal to. You’ll see them around.

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      10 months ago

      It seems many described as “left” in the USSA are conservatives too.

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      Yeah:

      “We need to freeze the border and send that message to the world to stop the death and casualties along the way,” says Dolan. “The Republicans are right on this issue. But that doesn’t make me a Republican. No party is right on every issue.”

      On his campaign website, Dolan who has served as managing director at banks including Lehman Brothers, Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan Chase, puts the city’s current plight thus: “Bail reform a disaster, the National Guard in the subway, toothpaste locked up in drugstores but criminals running free.

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/17/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-primary-challenger-marty-dolan/74074419007/

      • ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one
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        10 months ago

        “Bail reform a disaster, the National Guard in the subway, toothpaste locked up in drugstores but criminals running free.

        Umm doesn’t the State have a bigger hand in that instead of the Federal government?

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        It’s hilarious to me that 40 years ago this person would have been solidly Republican. Now he’s a “moderate Democrat”. This term now means “conservative that doesn’t like Trump saying the quiet part out loud”

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          A lot of money has been pouring into propagandizing liberals in big progressive cities about crime specifically. Trying to promote a crime hysteria. And then part 2 of that plan is to recall the progressive politicians and elect in Republicans who will claim to fix everything.

          It’s had only modest success in actually electing Republicans so far but I get the sense it’s a long game. People have absolutely bought into the “crime is at an all time high” lies.

  • LillyPip@lemmy.ca
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    10 months ago

    I hope people stop believing the bullshit that’s trying to get progressives to not vote or to vote for 3rd parties. Progressives absolutely can win democrat tickets, and that’s exactly why there’s so much propaganda trying to convince people otherwise. Progressives have a lot of political power right now, and the whole system can swing left if people don’t just give up. Progressives giving up is the only play the right has.

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      10 months ago

      Progressives should absolutely vote in primaries and lower contests. They should also make it very clear there are limits to their graciousness when our president supports blatant war crimes and genocide.

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        Graciousness? I don’t think that’s the right word…you don’t vote for someone because you’re being gracious, you vote for someone because you think they’ll deliver what you want - on in this case perhaps, the closest person who actually stands a hope in he’ll of getting elected.

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          Oh no. It’s graciousness to vote for the guy you lost to and who went out of his way to break campaign promises on unions, climate change, and immigration. Another term is good loser.

          But the point is there’s limits. There have to be limits or else you’re not a loser in a political contest, you’re a blind supporter they never need to actually listen to.

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              Ah yes, Reddit, and a Biden specific sub. The very material of unbiased analysis.

              Also. You’re responding to something pre-debate. There are very definitely other options now. Run a debate series with select candidates, open a comment period with the state parties, and culminate in an open convention.

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        I don’t disagree. But we’re living in interesting times.

        I don’t like most of the people on the ticket I’ll be given in November, but you know what’s objectively worse? Actual fascism. Fascism always ends in genocide, and these white Christian nationalists aren’t even trying to hide it, going mask-off even before they have the power to back it up.

        When fascists can be this bold and still keep their seats of power, that’s quite worrying.

        As I saw someone say earlier, we’re in democracy triage.

        I’d vote for Biden’s corpse before trump or not voting. We must wrest all power from the fascists before we can squabble about who’s more left.

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          We must be able to effectively fight it though. And blindly voting for the elite approved opposition ends in them holding the door open for fascists every time.

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    10 months ago

    fuck moderates, we’re fighting for our goddamn lives and the life of American democracy. We got no room for both-siders.

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    10 months ago

    An article about an election without any numbers. How tight was the race? How many people voted? We will never know. In fact, the whole article contains no information that wasn’t known beforehand. Probably written beforehand and just put online by a timer as the result was not surprising. News media is going downhill faster and faster.

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        You could argue that AIPAC is partly responsible for the mess we’re in, as well as other PACs. So, I don’t think that they will stop. Hell, one could hold that stance while voting for questionable politicians on their side. You just gotta make sure that the threat of being primaried remain.

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        Why? We get to tell the truth and apparently deeply bother you all at once. Seems like a win-win for everyone but you , and you don’t matter.

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        After what happened to Jamaal Bowman. Not a fucking chance.

        Oh, did people pointing out the unfair latitude given to your favorite genocidal nation make you upset? Whoops.

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      The ones laughing at Bowman’s loss? Yeah, I’m sure they’re crying so hard tonight

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      Yeah, having to listen to Steve Innskeep gleefully break the news of Bowman’s defeat on NPR this morning was not a great way to start the day.

      And of course NPR frames it as confirmation that voters support genocide, not that AIPAC uses GOP money to sabotage the Democratic party. Their reporting is getting worse and worse by the day.

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          They’re pretty bad on Israel, yeah. All Things Considered is particularly terrible.

          Innskeep and Mary Louise Kelly get me pissed of more than anyone else. Or Ayesha Roscoe. They’re all terrible interviewers.