My favorite “What if the Nazis won?” timeline I ever heard was basically “Hey, remember Dunkirk? What if the weather was clear during that? Well…”
The guy basically says there was no way Germany could actually win the war, not with any kind of realistic change, like, you can’t just change Hitler to not be crazy, but changing the weather for a few days would make a difference, but only so that Germany wins against Britain really early and is able to focus 100% on Russia, eventually beating them, finally having won all the wars it had going on at the moment… until America declares war and drops nukes on them and yeah…
Still, love the whole “Yeah, no, they can’t ever actually win, no matter what you change.”
Not fucked with Russia
Explanation: It’s a common historical counterfactual for amateur history enthusiasts to ask “What if Nazi Germany had [insert technology here]?” as a means of creating alternate timelines where Nazi Germany won the war.
In reality, considering that the US was deeply concerned that the Nazis may have been getting close to nuclear weapons themselves (they were actually far behind the US project), any serious reversal of Allied fortunes in Germany probably would’ve ended up with the nukes being used on the Nazis instead of Imperial Japan.
The instrumental event was when a critical Nazi heavy water production plant was sabotaged by SAS commandos, which set them back several years of progress.
They were paying attention to the war. We dropped them in Japan because we saw that was going to be a prolonged blood bath while Germany front did not. If it had, I think America would have done absolutely everything to fast track many many bombs and not just the two.
Virgin wehraboo’s alternate timeline: Nazis win(?)
Chad PugJesus alternate timeline: a world with no Godzilla and no Germany
I’m personally quite weirdet out by people with alternate history fantasies and especially concerned by those who fantasize about the Third Reich winning WW2.
I also do alternate history fantasies and i have to admit i have thought of a few ones involving nazis succeeding(tho mostly after reforming and admitting their downfalls bit still persuing their europe conquest) but i also have a bunch of other ones. For example today i was talking to someone about how it would affect the world if suddenly it was announced that budapest would teleport and switch places with easter island and they had 1 year prep time. Quite an interesting discussion actually. But yeah when people have ww2 fantasies thats pretty sus. Btw inglourious basterds is basically a ww2 fantasy about how the nazis would get mowed down by the allies, i like those ones.
Whats so bad about alternate history?
Nothing necessarily. I just find it weird. I sometimes get video recommendations for “what if X” and can’t not think it’s a waste of mental energy.
And exception would be if such thought plays were contextualised with current issues like “X is happening right now, Y happened before and it was similar, let’s look at how things could have developed and apply that to our situation so we can make the best decisions.”i mean its entertaining, like theres tons of media out there based on this. i really recommend watching the show For All Mankind, its an alternate history where the space race in the 60s never ended
Same it always feels like the continuation of the idea of Wunderwaffen
If only they had enough of X weapon
That’s the point, man. By 1944 it didn’t matter what weapons they devised. Germany was regularly bombed while US factories chugged along with impunity.
You need to be able to sustain a logistics chain. If UK were to fall, or would be neutral, it could lead to a completely different outcome. UK allowed for a staging ground to land in Europe. Also for easier support of convoys and the “fleet in waiting” strategy. Take care of that, and suddenly you can focus on Africa more and probably save the Italians from themselves. Sooo if somehow the V series rockets were more accurate, and they had thousands of them. Or nukes. It is a fever dream, but so was going through the Ardennes.
Same for why the battleships that could interdict convoys going to the Soviet Union. All of it long shots, but losing Bismarck was an unlucky event. Miles from nazi air cover, it got hit by a single torpedo dropped from a hail mary attack with outdated airplanes which locked its rudder and made it turn in circles. The allies lost contact with Bismarck a couple of times too, but then followed an oil trail from a second lucky hit when it fought HMS Hood. Which was also sunk from a “lucky” hit - in reality a design flaw that made Hood susceptible to detonation on this specific hit / angle. The entire French campaign was lucky as hell combined with methed up soldiers (200 miles in a day in tanks going 30kmh max, off road?). Further yet, imagine if they weren’t megalomaniacs and instead went for full on submarine production. They could’ve blockaded the UK easily.
The main thing that didn’t have a chance in hell of working were taking the UK over with taking on the RAF, and invading the Soviet Union thinking “if we take these three main objectives, they’ll surrender”.
So yeah, good thing for us that nazis were so stupid in some cases.
They still put their heavy water plants in Norway, they should’nt’ve
