Cocaine isn’t particularly known for its great variety of tastes, so I doubt the “sold like wine” in that sense. 🙂
Terroir and plant varieties are not that relevant for the end product of isolated cocaine alkaloid, where a pure extracted chemical is the final goal. Wine however is specialised and cherished because of its impurities and complex profiles.
This was from early February. Why is it being posted again? I remember seeing it on here when it was posted the first time when it actually occurred.
A lot of drug harm experts agree
Idk about the claim of it being illegal because it’s from Latin America, but I wouldn’t be surprised is a lot of racism was involved in deciding to make it illegal.
The bars on that suggest that alcohol has a higher harm to others, but crack cocaine has higher harm to users. Regular cocaine is a smidge worse overall than tabacco.
I dunno that this really sells it beyond being able to say “it’s not as bad as alcohol and heroin”.
That said, addiction should clearly be treated as a mental health issue, not a criminal issue. That goes for alcohol, cocaine, heroin, or tobacco.
People should be free to abuse their own bodies however they want to. Your body, your choice.
I don’t drink, or smoke, or use anything. Never have. That’s my choice.
While I don’t care about people who want to do drugs, I don’t believe for a moment that if cocaine didn’t become legalized for recreational use that it wouldn’t cause massive amounts of harm.
Speaking as someone who saw his father snort millions of dollars up his nose so he could appear functional while drinking like a fish all day, every day, and the damage it did on his family and future and prospects.
Our species isn’t ready for responsibility. When left to their own choices, people do not make good choices for themselves or others. We absolutely need shepherding by organized institutions and groups of thinking people who can make plans for our continued function and growth.
I don’t know if prohibition at all works for saving people from themselves, but I think we need a much larger effort broadly to get people to understand how their own minds and bodies work if nothing else. People still broadly have no clue how addiction works because they have no idea how their own brain works and the difference between feelings and facts. We’re dumber than ever as a species, and getting dumber. We are too easily compromised by outside influence to make good decisions for ourselves or our communities. It’s not going to get better. Nobody is coming.
It used to be… look up “vin mariani” sometimes. Cocaine is illegal in the USA largely why a lot of other drugs are illegal: they aren’t profitable for the right folks.
If alcohol / caffeine were discovered TODAY neither would be approved by the FDA for usage in products. But because both are intertwined with USA culture in a way neither cannabis or cocaine is, the former two are allowed (and even glorified) while the latter two are forbidden. It has nothing to do with harm reduction and everything to do with corporate profits.
would be “sold like wine”
They literally used to put cocaine in wine and called it Coca Wine. Coca-Cola removed the wine during the temperance movement and replaced it with caffeine. They removed the cocaine after the drink got popular with African-Americans and didn’t want to be associated with “coked out <censored>”
Legalize all drugs
If you don’t combine this with massive efforts to set up mandatory education on addiction and health, and create the same resources that other countries have who have decriminalized drugs, such as rehab centers and single-payer healthcare so people can get treatment immediately and without question, we’re just going to see them used as another addictive tool to acquire and consolidate capital, and with lethal impact.
In the US particularly, people are too dumb, numb and tuned-out to handle pretty much anything responsibly. We already have tens to hundreds of thousands of overdose deaths a year, (not counting alcohol) so I could easily see that spiraling out of control if people had access to even more ways to harm themselves while feeling pleasure.
The entire criminal justice system needs a revolutionary overhaul, drugs are just one part of it. If we remove one thing without checking all the other things, we tend to just make pocket-vacuums that other horrible things fill.
Legalization also requires regulation. Restrictions on advertisement and sales would be sensible.
Then cops would loose those funds for the war on drug, cartels would be ruined and prisons empty! Is that the world you want to live in?!
I’m thinking Junior approves.
Pretty sure whiskey is pretty bad too. I’m not for prohibition, or drugs being illegal. But I’m not in favor of people using cocaine or drinking alcohol.
How about using cocaine AND drinking whiskey? Classic combo. /Jk
In the 19th century they have coked up wine. No joke. Even the Pope endorsed it.
And I am not going to mention Coca-Cola. Despite the stories, the time it DID have minute amounts of cocaine in it was very brief since they did get complaints to knock it off.
They still used spent coca leaves that had so little cocaine left that it was imperceptible, and it was only until 1929 before they finally stopped that.
So if you wanted to get coked up with coca cola you would need to go back to 1885 and within days of the first coca cola being served.
But if you went that far back just do ALL the drugs. There was no such thing as an illegal drug back then.
How else does one properly enjoy a highball?
Yeah no.
Oh man I love cocaine.
Till your heart and vascular system doesnt
Butter is worse.
Butter isn’t directly cardiotoxic
And yet more people die from cholesterol than cocaine.
And yet more people die of cancer than shark bites.
100% of people ingesting cocaine in any form will experience cardiotoxicity. High bad cholesterol can be retained by living healthy. Nothing can undo direct toxicity to cardiac cells.
I can be in fit shape. Walk everyday, do cardio/lifting three times a week. One hamburger does nothing to my cardiac cells. One line of cocaine will damage my heart.
You seem to really care a lot about me to lecture me on my vices. Thanks! /s
I just want to do what I want buddy. Ain’t harming no one besides myself according to you.
Right on. People always gotta judge. You do you… and make sure to share with the homies!
your heart is a muscle, train it to failure just like any other :3
Your heart is a muscle the size of your fist
Keep on loving, keep on fighting
And hold on, and hold on
Hold on for your life
You dont train cells with toxicity, else I’d do a chemo every 4 weeks to become immortal
It would probably be sold at starbucks like coffee instead of like an alcohol.
Because it is everywhere and in everything, a lot of people underestimate how powerful caffeine is. Our tolerance is very high for that drug, if you were to give it to a person who’d never had caffeine before, a single cup or coffee would have them wired for hours and hours.
I’m amazed how the Internet allows people to watch videos of how they make cocaine and they still try it. The process is pretty gross. The main video I remember shows them mixing up the leaves with gasoline.
Oh no, nobody tell this guy what our food is fertilized with
And we eat meat after slaughterhouse conditions, and we eat salad after e coli outbreaks and fish after listeria outbreaks.
Using hydrocarbons to dissolve a component is one of the foundational things to do in chemistry. Half of the medicine you take is made with less garrosh versions of that same process
That’s not how chemistry works though. The end product contains no gasoline. It’s a chemical process and not just a mix of some stuff.
There’s cocaine (crack and the snortable kind), which are truly bad, especially Crack.
From what I gather the powdered form can theoretically be used in moderation and isn’t psychologically addictive - at least not more so than tobacco.
But then there’s Coca Leaves that the “natives” chew in Central America. You’d need to eat a whole-ass tree to get a significant high. You get more of a buzz from a strong cup of coffee or a can of red bull.
Khat is a similar “drug” used in Saudi Arabia and the nearby regions as well as Somalia and Ethiopia. It always gives nice headlines when the customs confiscate ONE HUNDRED KILOS OF KHAT. Which is a weekend dose for a group of dudes, because they’re counting the whole-ass tree as “drugs” like it was concentrated like Fentanyl. It’s chewed socially for hours on end and not used for a quick high.
Cocaine is directly cardiotoxic, ie, kills or impairs cardiovascular cells and caffeine is not/doesn’t.
Khat can cause vascular problems and damage the heart by effects cause by the former, but it isn’t directly toxic to cardiac cells. Big difference. I’d rather chew Khat leaves my entire life than coca leaves. Its not that cathinones are saint level healthy but atleast it doesn’t damage the heart at any amount like cocaine holding products do
Yeah. I lived through the 80s. Coke is BAD. Much worse than booze.
Now weed. That’s a perfect good.
Making it illegal just causes more problems.
Not commenting on that. Just saying that the comparison made us absolute bullshit
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Am I nuts, or would legal coke just result in people switching to meth and other amphetamines?
Idk. I have watched people discover Darknet markets for years now, and the most common line of thinking that I see whenever someone tries good cocaine for the first time is “I wish I could sustain this feeling for longer, and cheaper.” Everyone is always eventually disappointed by what cocaine can offer.
Yeah cocaine is like the most overrated drug ever. So overpriced and that shit lasts like 40 min maximum before you need to do more (and the diminishing returns are immediate).
Not a fan of stimulants in general, but coke is definitely more often than not a status thing (in the US at least). You have to be rich to be able to afford that habit.
Crack was much cheaper. This is why crack was so heavily criminalized while powder cocaine was not.
Yep. Plus they did it by weight, and were about as dishonest about it as you can get… Most of the weight is baking soda, but they weigh the entire rock anyways.
But they do (or at least did) that with everything. I remember that teenager in Texas being threatened with significant prison time for weed brownies because they weighed the entire brownies rather than just considering the THC content.
Am I nuts, or would legal coke just result in people switching to meth and other amphetamines?
Probably! And the nice thing about meth is you can manufacture it in your own home!
Fun facts about meth
Seriously, don’t fucking try meth, and especially don’t try to make it in your own home. That shit will destroy you, and I say that as the child of a former meth head.
My mother hung out with meth heads for a good portion of my childhood (the shit you don’t notice as a kid because it’s “normal”), and I was much worse off for it. In the last year I lived with her, I found a shake and bake lab in the basement, which freaked me the fuck out, cuz that’s how you burn your fucking house down and die or end up in the hospital with burns over a significant portion of your body
Every time I get a cold and have to stand in line for sudafed I think about how meth has inconvenienced me in a (relatively minor) but super annoying way. I think I’d rather people do weed or coke so I can shop unobstructed.
I think it’s bad for a very specific type of person, I found it to be pretty underwhelming - like a strong cup of coffee that makes your race numb.
Back in my adventurous days, I tried lots of stuff, and I also found coke to be no big deal. It just didn’t do it for me. Neither did alcohol. Weed was my drug of choice, probably because I was a creative type, and weed inspired creativity more than any other substance.
Everybody wants something different from their drug of choice.
Not op. Coke gave me a loooot of energy, tooo much energy to sit down but I couldn’t think. I just kind of jumped/moved around a lot. I’m usually very mellow. My drug of choice has always been weed too. I’m not a creative type but I love analyzing data while high. I can focus better and I have better judgment. If sober self can’t decide on something, my high self can. It’s weird.
Yeah, the energy boost seems to be the primary attraction of coke. Back then i was a runner and weightlifter, and always had plenty of energy pumping through me. I didn’t need that boost. I still don’t, which is why i don’t have an attraction to energy drinks either.
I did understand that another effect of cocaine was a sense of supreme self-confidence, which i didn’t need either. Not that I’m that confident anyway (or wasn’t back then), but drug-induced self-confidence wasn’t something i valued. I took my confidence from my accomplishments, and my ability to i teract with people. I wasn’t the life of the party, but i always had friends and relationships that were satisfying.
I suppose coke provides advantages i don’t need, while weed does. Alcohol has more of a numbing effect, which can be helpful if you are trying to supress bad stuff. I dont have that problem, either, or at least i have better ways of dealing with it.
Race numbing led to a lot of atrocities in Central and South America.
