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So Windows XP source code leak is now freeware?
From the article:
Also, in 2022, several unidentified developers sued OpenAI and GitHub based on claims that the organizations used publicly posted programming code to train generative models in violation of software licensing terms
They can argue about it not being a copy all they want. If there is a single GPL licenced line of code scraped then anything they produce is a derivative work & must be licenced GPL.
nice.
The only way I can see them weaseling out of this is by keeping the program running the model made in-house and proprietary while releasing the model in a format unusable without the base (proprietary) program. But maybe the GPL forbids such obfuscstion efforts (I don’t know, I haven’t studied it in detail)
I’ll play the uniformed devils advocate here:
- Is the GPL license enforceable?
- And if so, I assume “derivative” will still subjective to some degree. Where do we draw the line between derivative and non-derivative?
I’m torn about my personal opinion about copyrights and software licensing in general. I think the main problem is the huge power imbalance between people and corporations, not so much the fact a company analyzed a bunch of available data to solve programming problems.
They don’t copy the data and sell it verbatim to others which would be a legal issue and in my mind also a moral issue, as they don’t add any additional value.
1: yes
2: Normally derivative works are patched or modified versions of the original. I think the common English meaning would apply & chatGPT et al are fucked. I doubt there is a precedent for this yet.
Sure thing…now GPL/Creative Commons all your code involved in any way for your models, documentation, parameters, data sets, and allow full unlimited integration and modification by any parties to any portion of it.
I went into a smidge more detail over on my Mastodon last night, but my response is summed up as “WTAF? No! Freeware is an explicit license, as anyone from the BBS days will recall.”
The social contract? Tf. The social contract still required attribution in almost all cases for creative work unless explicitlf stated otherwise—especially in the case of comercial products like ChatGPT—so I don’t know where this joker is getting his ideas.
I look forward to the lawsuits that will ultimately cost this man his job.
I’d like to see this “CEO of AI” stand on the same ground as the CEO of Sex
As one person on Mastodon said, “AI is a toxic industry created by toxic people with toxic ideals”.
I wouldn’t go that far. As it turns out AI is a buzz word and buzz words have little meaning
Yea I thought about that too. But apparently some people find “AI” useful.
I find LLMs very useful
Too much of an environmental impact for the usefulness imo.
I don’t care. They are really helpful for a many different tasks. It doesn’t pull that much power to run locally on my machine.
“See I like AI because I’m selfish. Also those bad things are in the past, I’m using an ethical AI system now! But also, who gives a fuck because I only care about myself!”
Yeah you get it guy! Maybe you can be Trumps secretary of technology!
Mister/miss, LLMs that can run locally are fine. It’s the infrastructure and the large scale of commercial cloud LLMs that create some issues. You have to read some researches on this topic.
If an LLM can save me 30 minutes writing nice emails and responses and help me brainstorm, debug, or elucidate my thoughts then it is very useful.
You really put 30 minutes of your own time above all of downsides this has for the rest of us who don’t have a use for it (most of the world)?
What downsides are there?
All of the resources and energy spent to get you this product you like. You can’t discount what it took to create something just because the final product is small and efficient. Take a look at the manufacturing footprint of nearly all complex hardware.
I’m not saying you created the AI but you are one of its supporters, without which there would be no AI.
If this was all just pitched as developing a new plain English coding language, I think the hype following it would be far more appropriate, but then the funding wouldn’t follow to support the massive development costs of AI.
Its become a circle of hype chasing money chasing hype.
Its not you that is the problem so to speak though, its the collective “you’s” who think the same way.
Cool so we can just make up our own rules now. Well, all Microsoft products are freeware now because the same reason this guy
Ok… so from now on … when I see a “repackaged” Microsoft product that for some reason… which I don’t care to know… doesn’t ask for a payment… I can use it without restrictions ?!! that’s really nice of you Microsoft … thank you.
Windows XP code was leaked 2 years ago, so it’s freeware according to this idi… stable genius .
It’s freeware until someone else take m$ content without paying them, then it’s copyright infringement.
Fair, then everything I can find on the Internet must be freeware too. Set the sails, matey!
No officer, this is not a pirated movie. It’s generated by an AI model I created and trained with data from the internet and the fact that it’s 99% identical to an existing movie is irrelevant.
Also, this ground breaking AI model I made to do this was umm accidentally erased and I also forgot how to do make it.
Jury: “seems reasonable”
Can I just call lossy compression AI and use this as a defense?
It is an algorithm… So yes.
my AI is so good, it generated one that’s 100% identical
plus my AI uses less than 99% of the electricity of Microsoft’s
Man it’s crazy how these fuckers basically get to ignore copyright law whenever it’s inconvenient to them but if you have one too many Windows machines provisioned they’ll send the Spanish Inquisition after you.
Wow the head of AI for MS doesn’t know what the word freeware means.
The definition is being changed by Microsoft
