Oh I think I know how this will end.
There are plenty of untrained idiots that will end shooting up a ceiling or the sky.
I’m sure kids that are still in high school, specifically, are overjoyed at the news.
I know how it won’t end, and that’s the device being deployed against the people who deserve to have it deployed against them the most.
Nice I’ve been wanting a FRT. machine guns aren’t very good for mass shootings. All your ammo is gone instantly and you’re way less accurate. It’s good for suppressing fire, and fun in the backyard. This is not going to lead to more gun deaths.
Does this mean we can get one now in California? Or is this still not settled?
I’d like to know too in Washington state, I’m considering have an out of state relative buy one for me in the mean time
I like how you are acting like most of us haven’t played an FPS. The biggest difference is that there is no balance nerf between the damage an automatic bullet does and a semiautomatic bullet does. It’s certainly leading to more gun deaths in Mexico, where a lot of these weapons are getting exported down to, although it is refreshing to act like school shootings still aren’t a thing.
I fully expect for police to have to fear being “suppressive fired” soon enough, there are enough militant groups within the US that will enjoy the news, specially given the number of their members that were pardoned for Jan 6th.
Games are not equal to real life. 99 percent of people would have no idea how to control a machine gun.
It’s enough to learn when you are being gaslighted about machine gun ammo consumption. Yes, it eats ammo faster, but it is also more dangerous. Furthermore, being fully automatic doesn’t mean you spam it until it consumes the whole cartridge, it means you have more control how many bullets you can track with each trigger engagement. It’s why burst mode exists, but better. People do have an idea in how to control ammo consumption, it is a core game mechanic with most games with guns.
True enough, but it’s not very hard to learn.
How many people actually go out to a range every single week and burn through a couple hundred rounds working on training drills though? I did shooting at distance today (100-550y with .223) and burned through about 140 rounds, and most ranges don’t even have that kind of distance available. (Thank fuck the RSO had a spotting scope; I couldn’t see my splash in the grass to see where my rounds were going when I didn’t hit. He was able to see trace with his scope though.)
Not a lot, I imagine! Still a pretty low hurdle to clear. All you really need is ammunition and a place to shoot it. It sure helps to have a spotter/RSO/somebody who knows what they’re doing, but you can muddle through all right given enough trigger time.
First - the place to shoot is the hard part for many people. Indoor ranges don’t allow you to do the kind of practice that you would need to do in order to become proficient with an automatic firearm. Outdoor ranges are quite a drive for most people.
Second, and more important - the fact that people can learn doesn’t mean a lot. Most people, including most gun owners, don’t. A shockingly large percentage of gun owners don’t practice regularly, or at all.
Let us not forget… an FRT doesn’t even constitute a “machine gun” by their own definition!
This will help his pardoned militia in 3 years
Thank goodness, now I can defend my home against tyranny and people who look different than me with a pseudo-machine gun, just the way the Founding Fathers intended! (/s just in case)
I get gun enthusiasm. Like, as a hobby. Those folks that hang out at the range are as nerdy as the folks that hang out at the model airplane club. This isn’t for them. This is for the baddies. It’s strange considering that Trump had a close attempt on his life involving a gun with iron sights. You would think he would want to be the last person involved in approving more effective people killers.
Full auto weapons should be legal. Only idiots think full auto weapons are more dangerous. If someone is going to try using full auto during a crime all that will happen is the weapon will pull to the side and expend all it’s ammo in a few seconds. There is a reason why the military changed to semi auto/burst rifles as the standard.
Hey cool, the magazine will be empty before people can get to safety!
The mag will be empty and there is no way possible that they hit anything that was being shot at. People that think fully auto weapons are easy to fire have never even seen one fired in real life. After 2-3 rounds it is already pulling to the side. They are not just inaccurate, they are impossible to shoot accurately.
Your argument only really holds water against a single target. Go full auto in a stadium and let the recoil take you to the top rows. Accuracy won’t matter
Go full auto in a stadium and it will pull up and you will shoot the ceiling, or it will pull down and you will shoot the ground and maybe your leg. You might get lucky and it will lurch to the right, you will either fight it to get it back to the center or let it spin you like a top. By the time you have fought the autofire back to center it will have chosen a new direction to pull … good luck. You will do this 2-3 times and then the clip will be empty.
Life is not a movie or videogame. Autofire really sucks ass unless you are an absolute pro at it and have a great deal of practice. Those who would put in that much practice with auto fire would be smart enough to realize that 3 shot bursts are way more accurate and waste far less ammo.
Maybe if the ATF wasn’t so terrible and sloppy and did things that made sense and did things legally we could have some sensible gun laws.
You’re catching strays but your 100% right. The ATF is extremely ineffective, and are an actual road block in getting meaningful shit done! They like being unsupervised and shooting people’s dogs, like any other cop.
They’re awful regardless of your gun control beliefs.
Kinda what I meant. I’m a big gun lover, but also believe we need better rules. I actually walked into an Atwoods in Arkansas a few weeks ago, and an elderly farmer type was asking the gun counter what he needed to do to sell his gun to a friend. The clerk correctly told him “nothing” and the old farmer type guy responded “That don’t seem right.” So there are many more of us, even if some aren’t terminally online.
The Trump administration seems pretty confident these won’t be used against them personally.
That’s a select fire switch which is a little different.
What this is about are Hellfire Triggers which are impossible to control. If you know what one looks like, you can make it yourself.
Please with the hysterics it’s not like anyone has ever done something like that before
Please add a nsfw tag or other warning to this.
Well, they literally have a force feedback loop of propaganda aimed at themselves 24/7.
They think they own all 500 million guns in the US and they are all John J Rambo
The history on this is interesting
Trump banned bump stocks as a reaction to the Vegas massacre.
Then the supreme court ruled that unconstitutional.
https://www.npr.org/2024/06/14/g-s1-2929/supreme-court-bump-stocks
Now the trump admin is going to permit more things like the bump stock to be sold legally. Specifically, something that makes a semi automatic gun fire much more rapidly.
Would be a very Trumpian thing if he lost the civil uprising because of this decision.
This really wouldn’t make a difference. It isn’t hard to bend a coat hanger or drill a third hole.
Also, FRTs and bump stocks are really just range toys.
so you can turn a simi into a functionally auto rifle but you cant put a suppressor on it?
No suppressor, no super long mags, no belt feed, no barrel mounted grenade launcher, no incendiary rounds.
What is and what is not legal is funny in the US
I’m commenting from New Zealand where we have real restrictions on semi rifles, but can own as many suppressors as we like
In the USA, a suppressor magically makes the firearm deadly silent, so the ATF had to regulate them into NFA items which is bullshit. Also blame Hollywood.
Wut?
No, silencers weren’t regulated into the NFA by the ATF; congress put them in there, way back in '34. You can read the text of the act here. It’s in the very first section:
AN ACT
To provide for the taxation of manufacturers, importers, and dealers in certain firearms and machine guns, to tax the sale or other disposal of such weapons, and to restrict importation and regulate interstate transportation thereof.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of American in Congress assembled, that for the purposes of this Act -
(a) The term “firearm” means a shotgun or rifle having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length, or any other weapon, except a pistol or revolver, from which a shot is discharged by an explosive if such a weapon is capable of being concealed on the person, or a machine gun, and includes a muffler or silencer for any firearm [emphasis added] whether or not such a firearm is included within the foregoing definition.
It’s right there in the text.
Aside from that, the ATF per se didn’t even exist prior to '72; before that, it was part of the IRS, rather than an agency within the DoJ, and before the IRS, it was part of the Bureau of Internal Revenue.
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He hasn’t antagonized the hoplophobes recently.
We might need those soon.
Just ordered one for my pistol. Will be a fun (and stupid) way to mag dump a drum.
that means YOU can buy one too.
