• Universal Monk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Fair point! I have just spent all day arguing against people trying to get me banned from the fediverse. So I guess I left the blinders on.

        In this very sub, there was a post yesterday: “TrumpsTruth, Conservatism, TheNewDonald, what’s happening on this instance? Is this a thing?”

        And it’s around 60 comments of people telling me how much they hate me, and calling out admins to ban me! So my joke was mostly to them. And a few months before that a thread, “TrumpsTruth, Conservatism, TheNewDonald, what’s happening on this instance? Is this a thing?”

        I spend so much time being yelled at that I forget that I’m actually not that well-known. It come because from comments of, “Everyone hates you!” and “Your name is everywhere.”

        Good to know that it’s not everywhere. Maybe then they can shut up about how I have ruined the Fediverse and should be banned…

        Thanks for calling me out. Edited.

  • Carl@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 months ago

    New update for those of you following this story

    We have established contact with the previously-AWOL owner, and after much discussion, we have determined that while there was an error in the auto-payment initially, the renewal funds were transferred manually to Sav and the auction continues despite that. We are currently appealing to Sav support with our domain credentials. We are also looking into whether an ICANN-compliant grace period was implemented prior to the rescinding and auctioning of the domain.

  • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    Sad but kinda hilarious. Lemmy.ca appears to have a better succession plan in place through the nonprofit organization…

    • Cyborganism@lemmy.ca
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      2 months ago

      Yeah they got their shit together pretty well. The admin is a great person and I admire them for what they did.

  • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    Stop giving them attention. That’s the only thing they care about. If a tankie wants to have a ‘debate’ with you just say ‘ok’ and move on.

    They have no power or any effect on anything. By making them seem bigger than they really are (some niche leftist nutjobs) you only attract new cultists looking to sate their moral superiority kink.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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      2 months ago

      Thanks! Unlike a lot of Lemmy users, I have a soft spot for hexbears. I think they had a genuinely traumatic experience when they federated and their very personal instance was inundated with people who didn’t think and talk as they did. I’m glad they’re ok.

      • antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        2 months ago

        they had a genuinely traumatic experience

        Jesus Christ, this is so ridiculous. They federated on their own accord, and from what I’ve seen very little non-hexbear users ever came to post on hexbear communitites. Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you isn’t fucking traumatic, in fact these people adore arguing and “dunking” on “libs”.

        • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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          2 months ago

          Their users wanted to defederate right away when they saw the rest of Lemmy. The people in charge (able to pull the switch) kept telling them to hold on and it’d get better. A small number of people made the decision for all of them. It’s all the rest for whom I genuinely feel bad. Their community was highjacked and, I think to them, attacked. I can have empathy for the average users.

          • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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            2 months ago

            Having seen how Hexbear interacted with other instances, I have zero empathy for them. They were an incredibly nasty group of people towards anyone who thought differently to them.

        • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Seeing some new users in your online community who disagree with you

          It takes so very little for liberals to take their masks off and start talking word-for-word exactly the same as incel nazis.

            • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
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              2 months ago

              How about instead of puffing your chest out like an online incel douchebag asking me to cross a brand new line in the sand, you respond to what was already pointed out.

              i.e. you being an incel nazi cosplayer and pulling the ‘just simply for disagreeing and nothing else’ bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out

              • antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                2 months ago

                what was already pointed out.

                Almost nothing has been pointed out. You said my comment resembles those of “incel nazis”. No actual explanation or concrete criticism, just aggressive vocabulary and vague accusations. Of course, you can’t provide anything more than that - had i actually given even a hint of support for nazi ideology, you’d easily point it out, rather than just calling out… my wording?

                bullshit you and every other incel nazi uses every time your behavior is called out

                What is this “my/our behaviour” that you’re talking about exactly?

                • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                  2 months ago

                  I didn’t explicitly give verbal support to specific nazi parties (motte) I just said these snowflakes go running whenever some vague and nonspecific disagreement happens! (bailey)

                  You can’t criticize me for using the exact same rhetorical tools literal nazis use and in the exact same context! It’s just a coincidence! You have to follow my rules and satisfy my framing!

        • ArxCyberwolf@lemmy.ca
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          2 months ago

          Dunking on other instances was literally the entire reason they federated in the first place. Their users were salivating at what they would do to lemmy.ca before we defed’d.

      • boredtortoise@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        Their community reminds me of that one Something Awful subforum with the same style. I guess hexbear is just a younger demographic

      • oce 🐆@jlai.lu
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        2 months ago

        Ah, I saw a lot of people traumatized by their posting, but it is the first time I hear about the opposite.

        • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          2 months ago

          Hexbear is the only place online I’ve found that I feel most comfortable speaking my mind as a neurodivergent queer communist. People act like hexbear is some harsh authoritarian zone, it just simply doesn’t condone chauvinism, transphobia, or let people post western propaganda without it being questioned. Some people react poorly to the way they are responded to on hexbear when they post some bullshit that we’ve heard and debunked 1000 times already.

          • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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            2 months ago

            They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances, and outright flooding any conversation they didn’t agree with with the most vile takes they could come up with, or, failing that, the pig shit Gif.

            But yeah, they’re secretly caring people, sure.

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
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              2 months ago

              They also made a habit of “raiding” other instances,

              Lol, I love seeing the mythology of hexbear evolve in real time. I particularly like how you put “raiding” in inverted commas to make it seem like you’re quoting something, rather than just making it up whole cloth.

              • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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                2 months ago

                I mean, I saw it happen. You argue with one, and twenty others show up and just flood the thread.

                But sure, keep lying to yourself about how your friends are secretly caring people or whatever.

      • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        Homie, they inundated everywhere else with their bile, very few people actually came to their instance.

        They were the traumatic experience.

    • leftzero@lemmynsfw.com
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      2 months ago

      According to that statement they don’t have access to the account to renew that one either, so they’ll lose it eventually and it should be considered temporary. 🤷‍♂️

    • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
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      2 months ago

      How does anyone know that this is a fair auction. As much as the users may be hated or disliked, I still don’t believe in companies or corporations taking advantage of people like this to make a cheap buck.

      Who’s to say that every bid in the auction is being artificially raised by a company rep and no matter what amount anyone comes up with, the owner will just keep raising it until they find a really high value.

      Shitty situation all around and as much as they are not liked, I wouldn’t want anything like this happening to any honest instance out there.

      • 3DMVR@lemm.eeEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Thats always risky and I highly doubt it, they could just not buy it and then they’re stuck holding the domain and can’t sell it for a cheaper price immediately after

      • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        I dont think anyone on hexbear is actually bidding on the auction. For one most users are poor and the consensus seems to be that any money that would go to cyberlandlords would be better served in the mutual_aid comm. Like if someone wants to spend money on hexbear, they should spend it on those that need it the most.

    • vger@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      2 months ago

      They didn’t really move. That hostname has been a synonym for hexbear.net all along. It may have been the instance’s original hostname.

  • Carl@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 months ago

    This almost certainly won’t kill the Hexbear community, and frankly I don’t think there’s any way they will choose to pony up the auction money. This community has moved from reddit to discord to the fediverse and they’ll probably just be on their backup/original domain chapo.chat for a month or two before switching over to whatever the admins decide to switch to, and then it will be business as usual under a new name.

    Still there’s a lesson here about setting up a durable online community - don’t let someone control the domain registration with their personal account, you’re just asking for something like this to happen. If they don’t have one already the admins should set up some kind of organization that can “own” the new domain, donations, etc so that this can’t happen again.

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      The current vibe definitely is “Dont pay money to cyberlandlords, give it to people in the mutual_aid comm”. Let it go and get a new domain

    • CarbonBasedNPU@lemm.eeEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I just don’t get how you could keep trusting the people that run the instance after this. Its like the whole manjaro thing I could never use it because I do not trust the people in charge because they won’t stop fucking up.

        • hoppolito@mander.xyzEnglish
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          2 months ago

          Don’t have a horse in the race myself (since I use arch, btw) but e.g. here is a compiled list of some past issues.

          • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk
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            2 months ago

            830 days since manjaro last fucked up. I’ve been using manjaro for a while. other than some hiccups i’d expect of a rolling release distro i’ve been fairly happy with it

      • GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        Making some assumptions about who is who (because they’ve intentionally made it difficult to keep track for doxxing reasons), this should be the last connection they have to a previous admin team that’s been at the core of a lot of the unforced errors over the years. I think it may actually be smooth sailing after this. Either way, I have too many alts across different instances to be too worried about a single one falling. I would indeed miss Hexbear though.

    • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Rent free.

      If you go to their megathread on the topic you’ll see that not only are they not bidding, they’re telling people not to bid on their behalf and go to their https://chapo.chat/c/mutual_aid comm and give the money to someone who needs it. So if you have 300+ bucks to set on fire please consider helping someone with their rent or groceries. Or on the kid from Gaza trying to raise money for a prosthetic leg. You’ll feel better than spending it on spite.

      • Ambii [She/her]@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Please someone cover my monthly expenses (equal to the current bid) . As a commie tankie trans girl this would own me epically

    • Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      spending hundreds of dollars on a domain to own the commies, that’s so epic chungus, take my updoot good sir

    • tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 months ago

      It’s funny, even on the reddit post about it everyone shamed OP saying “are you serious? Spend your money on something worthwhile instead of acting like a toddler.” Hexbears aren’t even trying to bid on it.

    • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
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      2 months ago

      How’s your bid going? Top is $676 now. I wonder if it’ll go to ,$1000. I wonder how many of the bidders are from hexbear, trying to save it

      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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        2 months ago

        I wonder how many of the bidders are from hexbear, trying to save it

        Anyone who did that would be endlessly mocked for giving a thousand dollars to a domain registrar instead of literally anything else.

  • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
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    2 months ago

    They’ll probably stay in chapo.chat, and instance owners will update their blocked lists. A few users lost because they can’t be arsed to re-register, instead using .ml. But, past that, not much is going to change, I think.

    I’m mildly curious on what’s going to happen with their older domain - or, what the winning bidder will make out of it. (Document bad online behaviour? Make it about NATO to rub salt on their wounds? What else?)

    • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Except they already said that the same issue will occur with the backup name as well. Unless the additional time allows the original owner to finally reregister it this time, as they (reportedly) claimed to be ready to do for the main one as well. I think they don’t trust them anymore:-).

      So everyone might move, then have to move again a second time. Not joking btw!:-)

      Is it weird that I feel bad for them? Whoever is to blame, a lot of the users are innocent of this. And are also trolls, true, but even so… It would be nice if some people would learn from this that online trolling is one thing, but eventually it’s even better to wake up and live in the real world. I want that for them.

      • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
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        2 months ago

        I think that the additional time will be enough to let them contact the original owner. But dunno, there might be some drama involved, IIRC not even the original devs want much to do with HB.

        And even if they move twice, the userbase seems close-knit enough to follow without too many losses.

        Is it weird that I feel bad for them?

        I don’t think it is. The main problem there seems to be users going rogue outside their home instance; I remember HB had some rule like “respect rules of the other instances you interact with”, but it was toilet paper. However plenty of the other users are completely OK.

        Another issue is that there is some red scare against them. And even if they use it to shield themselves from actual criticism in a really dumb way, the red scare is still there.

        • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
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          2 months ago

          They openly idolize Stalin. That’s not from a couple rogue users

          • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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            2 months ago

            The guy who spent his youth robbing banks to fund a revolution, succeeded, went on to beat the nazis, and helped lay the foundation for the greatest increase in standards of living in the modern age outside of China?

            Even if you accept legitimate criticisms about the guy, such as interning/relocating populations in the wake of WWII, various loses the CPC took due to following his mandates, his failure to support Korea, etc, and understand him as a part of a greater machine accomplishing these things rather than the idealist “great man theory” nonsense that encourages hero worship in the first place, it’s hard not to idealize revolutionary heros like him and Fidel.

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
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          2 months ago

          They did contact the original owner - who promised (reputedly) to take care of it. Then disappeared (yet again, after repeatedly having done so in the past so many times before). It’s even possible that they did this out of some kind of spite? But perhaps not, maybe it’s merely irresponsibility, and even that due to ADHD or some such, who knows (I did not read through every comment, just enough to know this much).

          It is not merely users going rouge (edit: no you know what, fuck it, I’m leaving this spelling exactly as it is, bc it’s 2025 baby! and this apparently is how we roll now) there are posts (not merely moderator reports, which don’t federate particularly with their older software) where they are made aware, and the admins chose to ignore the situation each time rather than ban the person involved. They actively shielded them from consequences, rather than merely allowing them to do whatever. Thus necessitating others to take steps of their own to deal with matters.

          Seeing how “responsible” they are, nobody believes the red scare issue - especially people who are ACTUALLY leftist as opposed to whatever fucked up thing tankies are to begin with, and then like that squared (three times over) and possibly reversed and shifted further into the imaginary dimension, to describe whatever the heck Hexbear has going on specifically. Regardless of political views. imho at least, ofc:-).

          • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
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            2 months ago

            They did contact the original owner - who promised (reputedly) to take care of it.

            That’s important info.

            Perhaps the original owner is so disengaged already that they aren’t giving too much of a fuck about the fate of the instance. I can’t exactly blame them.

            It is not merely users going rouge (edit: no you know what, fuck it, I’m leaving this spelling exactly as it is, bc it’s 2025 baby! and this apparently is how we roll now)

            Stop making me remember a certain movie! Okay, the movie is great, so keep reminding me of it. (Moulin Rouge. Their version of Roxanne is way better than The Police’s original. Kind of like Concrete Blonde’s Everybody Knows vs. Cohen’s)

            But I digress. Yes, the users were going rouge :-P under the implicit approval of the instance admins; that’s why I say that the rule there against misbehaving in other instances was “toilet paper”, it’s just there to get shit.

            Seeing how “responsible” they are, nobody believes the red scare issue

            Yup. It’s like the boy who cried wolf, isn’t it?

            Anyway, I hope that the good ones still stick around. And even the bad ones should get a place… just away from my sight. (Perhaps in truth social, showing their “critical support” to Trump. Hehe.)

    • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
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      2 months ago

      re-register

      Why do you think their old accounts won’t work? It’s just a different domain name. They didn’t lose data.

    • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
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      2 months ago

      Has chapo chat been federated with us this entire time? I’m just trying to understand what it actually is.

      • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        2 months ago

        It was the original website people from /r/chapotraphouse migrated to when it was banned on reddit but then everyone decided they didn’t even really like the podcast and made a new thing

        • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
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          2 months ago

          I get that but do we need to defederate from them or not? It seems like they don’t have federation enabled or something.

            • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
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              2 months ago

              sigh

              That’s a funny way of saying you have no clue what chapo.chat actually is. Hexbear is the epitome of the blind leading the blind.

              I could never have imagined that certain leftists were equally as stupid and ignorantly abrasive as MAGA trumpers, but you clowns have proven it beyond all doubt. It’s so profoundly concerning and disappointing 😑

              Why can’t you just act like a mature adult and answer a simple question? Why must you incessantly seek to spread divisiveness and misery?

              • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                2 months ago

                No it’s a funny way of saying your instance sucks

                Who is spreading divisiveness? You are explicitly asking if you need to take additional steps to divide yourself from elsewhere.

                Not to distract attention from your frankly obsessive and weird hate rant

                • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works
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                  2 months ago

                  I’m asking if chapo.chat is part of Lemmy or not. Do they federate with other servers, or is it isolated? Just answer the damn question.

                  I explicitly federated sh.itjust.works with hexbear, at the request of your fearless leader u/CARCOSA, and I took a whole bunch of shit from all sides for that decision. Then you defederated us within 24 hours, because you couldn’t handle losing arguments with our users. I have always tried to be reasonable with you people but it counts for nothing, because you just attack and abuse everyone you come into contact with, and you actively refuse to confront reality.

          • Deinonych[they/them]@lemmy.ml
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            2 months ago

            Don’t worry, hexbear/whatever is going to be called will almost certainly block sh.itjust.works along with other right-wing instances when it enables federation again