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Auction: https://www.sav.com/auctions/details/7073489/hexbear.net
Not sure what will happen, but seems to be a Fediverselore event for sure
Update: post from hexbear admin on chapo.chat: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
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It’s up to $1921 now lol
Lol
Well I’m impressed that just defederating from them was enough to basically kill the site.
I thought were defederated most of their existence though? I wonder what changed.
not everyone was, our instance held out as long as possible because were very pro free speech.
Y’all defederated recently? Can you link the thread?
https://discuss.online/post/13916278
at least I think we did, not sure tbh. We definitely talked about it.
We absolutely definitely did:-)
You’re awesome
Ok thanks. Yeah you’re definitely defederated, you can see hexbear on the blocked instances tab.
Nahh - further back, before they could even be defederated, they spent first years voluntarily isolating themselves from the larger fediverse. Just surprising is all, I was under the impression hexbear was very self sustaining.
Edit- looking like this wasn’t intentional, explains a lot.
What? That has nothing at all to do with the reason the domain expired. It has been in a predicament for a while, site admins lost contact with the owner of the domain name. This has been coming for some time.
Stop giving them attention. That’s the only thing they care about. If a tankie wants to have a ‘debate’ with you just say ‘ok’ and move on.
They have no power or any effect on anything. By making them seem bigger than they really are (some niche leftist nutjobs) you only attract new cultists looking to sate their moral superiority kink.
OMG!!!
Fuck yeah!
I have more fitting memes :D
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Please post them on the reaction memes community when you can, I don’t have much time to do it myself (T~T)
Will post some of them in a moment.
Wait, what??? Isn’t this a hugely active instance? What happened?
https://lemmy.ca/comment/14489378
Apparently they didn’t pay for their registration renewal. Watch out for a flood of displaced tankies, you can usually find them by saying fuck Putin, or fuck Xinnie the pooh, and they’ll just put themselves so you can block them.
Paid registration renewal is inherently capitalist, you deranged westoid.
spoiler
How’d I do?
you forgot to add at least 26 weirdly sized gifs and emojis
And also forgot to yell at them for not reading all 780 pages of theory before commenting.
Not that bad tbh I believed it for a sec
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7/10. Close in spirit, but not cringe enough. And you didn’t follow it with an image reaction.
Y’all have such a hate hardon for hexbear you can’t hear the irony.
And if they did change it to something like tanki.cn, it would be an ironic jab at y’all who already think that anyway.
Hard not to when I got banned for mentioning China has a market economy.
So you got banned for making a bad faith argument rooted in western brainworms?
Yeah that sounds like hexbear.
Really? Not according to the modlog.
Alt Account — Blahaj is not federated with Hexbear.
Though sorry to say I can’t give you the username of that alt since I use it to post personal info I don’t want linked with my main (this account).
The standard take on the PRC is that it has a Socialist Market Economy, so I doubt that.
I have a hard time taking authoritarians seriously, whether they are left wing or right wing.
Don’t get me wrong, sinophobia or russophobia for the sake of it is just dumb, but like the other guy said, if we get banned for having a different opinion on those country’s dictators than they do… Maybe they should just stay in their safe space by themselves, isolated. Just like Russia and China should be sanctioned and isolated for their imperialist bullshit, and just like America should be for its imperialist bullshit.
Also, if they adopt a .cn tld, they’ll lose their domain name again. Not even China wants anything to do with them, hexbear was blocked in China haha.
Hexbear was banned because there is a crypto on https://hexbear.io/ and China banned all crypto. China does not actually care about lemmy so much that they blocked hexbear.
TIL, thank you. Though the reason why China has banned them doesn’t lessen the irony here.
Omg I thought you were joking!
(Were you joking? If so, IT’S ALSO REAL! 😂)
multiple examples but here’s a good one: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531/5913648
Note your standard search function won’t work from the home location bc the new instance isn’t federated yet.
Yeah I wasn’t joking 😭
Would make blocking their users a lot easier, at least! It’s like self-reporting that you’re not to be taken seriously.
Capitalism sure isn’t making everything worse all the time and ruining the world wtih zero meaningful incremental reforms amounting to shit or anything 😙
I never claimed otherwise, but go on, chief!
or just look for their obnoxious emojis, which are full color photos of some gross asshole.
Im honestly annoyed by this as I have over 30 communities on hexbear blocked. id really not like to have to do it again
Good news - you can block entire instances on current Lemmy. No need to go community by community.
Bad news - it does nothing about the users. You’ll still see their comments and posts elsewhere.
yeah I read this, and have tried, a bunch of times, to block hexbear on Summit, but it doesn’t seem to work.
I’m assuming summit is an app? Try using it through the webui.
yes its an app.
I dont wanna use the webui (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
Maybe make a post on their subreddit, [email protected]
I started using the app few days ago, in which way are you blocking the instance? Because AFAIK there are 2 ways to block but I haven’t tried the second one.
I’ve blocked a bunch of instances via Summit and never had a problem. I’ve blocked non-english and NSFW/porn instances. You could try posting in the community [email protected]. It’s been working for be since before lemmy made blocking instances an actual feature.
You can block entire instances.
Im assuming the war in ukraine and sanctions slowed down their flow of capital. Moneys probably been diverted to their top tier podcasters and youtubers who actually have an audience. Daddy expects results.
They must have lost my bank account info cuz I’m fucking struggling as a trans girl in the US and could really use some Putin or Xi bucks
Trump got back in so the domain holder isn’t interested anymore? Maybe .ml is some CIA honeypot
Lmao
yep this is a downside to being on a federated server run by some rando.
Wow, that’s a fuck up of monumental proportions. Still 9 days left on the auction, I wonder how much it’ll ultimately sell for.
This could be really annoying when they all make accounts on lemmy.ml. Funnily enough, having them all sequestered over there and defederated from the rest of us has been working pretty well lately. Moderators and admins better start dusting off the banhammers.
What is chapo.chat? I can see that it runs Lemmy 0.19.8 but is it just not federated or something?
Seems to be kind of a backup domain/instance the hexbear admins have? Not sure to be honest, hopefully someone else can chime in
It’s the same instance. That’s just a synonymous hostname that points to the same IP address.
But they also said that the same issue will occur with it too, in time.
Right after the r/chapotraphouse sub got banned, they moved to chapo.chat, but the community wasn’t really that tied with the chapo trap house podcast anymore, so they moved to hexbear.net.
Reading through the admin’s post it looks like they have the exact same issue with chapo.chat being registered by an admin who is no longer active and not responding to the rest of the admin team. They explicitly say to view the move to chapo.chat as temporary unless they can get control of that domain.
Sounds like a good lesson for them and many other fediverse instances to form some sort of non-profit/club/organization legal entity and better ensure that these critical items are open to multiple individuals to reduce the bus factor. I would assume having a legal entity would make it easier to get donations to cover costs too.
“No longer active” presumably means “died in Ukraine?”
I’m taking it as “grew up and realised he had been an idiot, so stopped talking to them or supporting the cause”
Y’all are really overthinking this. Have you ever just gotten tired of using some platform or just become less chronically online in any capacity? It doesn’t mean they died or had a change of heart. People’s interests change over time. Not everyone wants to do the same thing forever.
These people are holding onto some weird ass one sided internet beef with a lemmy instance of communist trans people, do you really think they’ve ever touched enough grass to grow past the age they first joined reddit?
Don’t play the victim. Those who were around when Hexbear first federated with the main instances remember how awful their behaviour was. Being a trans communist doesn’t shield you from criticism, nor does it excuse that behaviour. None of grudges people hold are unfounded.
Weird, www.hexbear.net redirects to chapo.chat while hexbear.net doesn’t.
DNS caching at play. The registrar has pointed it to their own nameservers, and that gets cached in lots of places.
Ooooh. That explains it. Yeah, it just switched over to the redirect to sav.com for me.
I think they’re fucked. Because of how Lemmy does federation, there’s no way that I know of to switch the domain for an existing instance without changing the name and making everyone resubscribe to everything. Although, they probably talk mostly to one another so they could probably change the name to hexbear.social or something with just a little temporary disruption if they don’t feel like coming up with $300. Personally, I definitely wouldn’t want to cooperate with the domain extortion, I’d rather change domains.
Yep. Servers save federation keys per domain name. Not that they were really federated with most big instances anymore anyway.
They should be able to still recover the domain. From the top of the page “To renew this domain, please sign in to your Sav.com Account”.
I think they now have to win the auction, though. It’s $300 to renew for the year currently, and still rising, instead of the $12 it was going to be.
I do not think anyone should bid the price up. Hexbear may be a bunch of cunts, but all you’re doing with that is giving money to some criminals who are much worse than the Hexbear people.
How are they criminals? Its the domain selling site lol, they didn’t pay a cheapass 12$ renewal with a years notice, its their own fault?
How doesn’t that break federation? Or are they starting over?
For me, both redirect to chapo.
With different messages on top that aren’t friendly to hexbear.
WTF is going on here?Hexbear has taglines that contain some of the funniest things said about Hexbear, or just funny in general. This is standard for Hexbear, if you refresh the page the taglines change.
I just clicked the first link, still the same auction site for me
I don’t see the auction site at all. Must be DNS things.
Hope the new boss isn’t the same as the old boss.
I’m not up to date with my Hexbear knowledge, is hexbear dead?
Hexbear is very much alive. I just visited to check, and instantly ran into some bullshit, and left again.
It looks to me like sav.com is some kind of domain name scammer. They trick people into registering their domains with them by offering low prices, and then some time later once you’ve come to depend on the domain, proceed to some kind of abusive process like this where they’ll let totally separate people (allegedly-real separate people) “bid” on your domain, and force you to pay whatever exceeds the highest bid, if you want to keep control of it. I honestly don’t know how it is allowed.
It looks to me like Hexbear got suckered into registering with them, displaying the same savvy critical thinking skills that serve them so well in so many other areas. I don’t think the domain expires until a year from now? Am I misunderstanding, or is sav.com just getting the jump on extorting some money from Hexbear? I realize it would be funny to jump in and bid the price up, but be aware that (1) you are giving money to some genuinely godawful people, quite a bit worse than just a bunch of confused aggressive pro-left people, if you win (2) you won’t even get your entertainment until a year from now, unless I am misunderstanding something.
They literally had the chance to renew at the low price and just put it off and lost contact with whoever owned the domain, for some reason they didn’t have multiple users with the login. Easy way toa void this wouldve been transferring the domain to the person hosting and paying the 12$ within the year they had to do it.
HOSTINGER IS LITERALLY A SCAM WHAT, known scam within the community for doing exactly what you claim sav does insane af that you would suggest that, look around reddit or lowendtalk. Actually comedy to see that suggestion under you making those claims about sav.com lol.
What on earth are you talking about?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hostinger/top/?t=all
I see people incredibly upset about the poor customer service. That’s pretty accurate. Maybe I should not recommend them, I’ve had some similar issues but never terribly bad and I wrote it off as “jank.” That’s why it’s cheap. When did anyone say it’s a scam or they extort extra money?
They play the long game, first 3 years will prob be chill, once you’re stuck with them https://www.reddit.com/r/Domains/comments/1big23f/hostinger_domain_renewal_scamming_hostinger_is_a/
Their domain expired a month ago, this is pretty normal for a registrar to do with expired domains.
Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:35:29Z Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:25Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2025-01-12T00:35:22ZWhere do you see this? Whois says:
- Domain: hexbear.net
- Registered On: 2021-01-12
- Expires On: 2026-01-12
- Updated On: 2025-02-11
That’s also what sav.com says under domain details “Expiration Date.”
Whois also says “client transfer prohibited.” Fucking scumbags. Don’t give them money.
Just off whois on linux, but I’m not clear why it lists two different sets of dates. I’m guessing querying the root whois vs the registrar, and hexbear is currently in the process of fixing their domain which is why one set is 2026.
~$ whois hexbear.net Domain Name: HEXBEAR.NET Registry Domain ID: 2584175083_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois-service.virtualcloud.co Registrar URL: http://sav.com/ Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:34:08Z Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:22Z Registry Expiry Date: 2026-01-12T00:35:22Z >>> Last update of whois database: 2025-02-11T20:42:41Z <<< *snip* Domain Name: HEXBEAR.NET Registry Domain ID: 2584175083_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois-service.virtualcloud.co Registrar URL: https://www.sav.com/ Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:35:29Z Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:25Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2025-01-12T00:35:22Z Registrar: SAV.COM, LLC *snip* >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2025-02-11T17:35:29Z <<<Unless the +1 year date is the registrar holding it for themselves to auction off, which seems equally likely.
Unless the +1 year date is the registrar holding it for themselves to auction off, which seems equally likely.
Yeah, that’s what it is. Whois actually explained it to me, and I didn’t bother to read it the first time. I made an edit.
Not them, but here you go
Edit: Okay, I figured it out.
NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.So, as I had guessed, sav.com registered it “for them” for one year more than they actually wanted to register, and then when there was some minor billing issue, used it as an opportunity to do a cash grab. Fuck sav.com, is basically what I’m saying.
Previous comment, before the edit:
IDK what’s going on with that web site, but it’s wrong. Or, sav.com updated something to backdate the expiration or something else shady like that.
$ whois hexbear.net | head -n20 Domain Name: HEXBEAR.NET Registry Domain ID: 2584175083_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois-service.virtualcloud.co Registrar URL: http://sav.com/ Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:34:08Z Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:22Z Registry Expiry Date: 2026-01-12T00:35:22Z Registrar: Sav.com, LLC Registrar IANA ID: 609 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected] Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8885808790 Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Name Server: NS1-EXPIRED.SAV.COM Name Server: NS2-EXPIRED.SAV.COMI trust running whois more than I trust a web site. Like I say, I have no explanation why they would be wrong, but they’re wrong. Maybe sav.com registers it “on behalf of” their clients, and sets the meta-expiration one year after to give them time to fuck around with auctions? Something weird like that? And then it’s only paid until last month, and because a card had expired or something trivial like that, they decided to throw it into this auction process?
As much as I think it’s funny to make fun of Hexbear, I don’t think people should be celebrating them getting fucked over by criminals.
As much as I think it’s funny to make fun of Hexbear, I don’t think people should be celebrating them getting fucked over by criminals.Edit: They’re over on chapo.chat now, blaming the whole thing not on sav.com, or on themselves for choosing a registrar for an important server without doing due diligence, but on DNS itself and the architects of the internet. I take it back. Fuck 'em.
They are still the same
0·5 months agoWtf are you talking about??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Thats one user being unhappy with how the system functions
They are clearly blaming the admin going AWOL and not paying, and themselves for not getting the domain transfered.
https://chapo.chat/c/chapotraphouse?dataType=Post&sort=TopDay
https://chapo.chat/post/4468515?sort=Top
I did see the much more reasonable post from the site admin. That one was fine, I should have made that clear. I was mocking the users of the site freaking out, to broad and sustained applause, over how DNS is a capitalist plot when it is just about the furthest thing from it that exists on the modern internet.
I also thought it was funny that they found some GNU tool that was a replacement, but then freaked out minorly because in the docs it talks about some issue related to censorship of the Chinese internet, and we are not allowed to talk about that, that is a bad thought, it’s not real it’s not real.
Also, this is absolutely true:
As an aside, this site has a way better layout and interface than all the other lemmies. Seriously the most comfortable way to browse and it even works well on mobile.
I don’t know why it hasn’t been shared, or picked up by anyone else. Lemmy.ml if nowhere else. I never really browsed Hexbear on its own instance before today. It’s a little bit garish, on purpose, but not overly much and it all fits together and looks peaceful and attractive. It is not “show me the UX equivalent of a pile of unvarnished planks” like the default theming.
They probably survive, but they will basically be switching infrastructure and losing all sorts of shit, so their size will be much smaller and weaker.
You’re being downvoted for this, weird.
Tankies are downvoting enmasse in this thread, especially Hexbear users on alts.
Tankies think downvoting and taking over internet forums is praxis and that “anarchkiddies” don’t read theory. Karl Marx and Stalin said take over reddit communities and downvoting is the first step of transitioning into communism.
I hate downvotes because they are super arbitrary and oftentimes really petty. Obviously I recognise they can be useful to weed out horrible and discriminatory stuff, but often they are used as a sort of “disagree” button.
The beauty of lemmy though is can be (and am) on an instance with downvotes disabled . So have the exact same experience except only upvotes are possible.
Piefed has a great community setting feature making them a bit more reliable/useful although it doesn’t fix how people are using it:
They noticed https://hexbear.net/post/4468531
Link doesn’t work given the domain.
True, this is the new domain https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
I’ve had that happen to some URLs I own before. Basically, they forgot to renew. Normally you get a grace period but some sketchy domain admins take the lapse as an opportunity to auction off what was originally a worthless address now that it has value.
Looks like it expired last month so they had a 1 month grace period
I am willing to bet that the contact person is either gone or not checking email. It wouldn’t surprise me if they lost access to the portal.
Ironic that it’s capitalism that’s going to take down Hexbear.
That isn’t ironic. That’s entirely on brand. Ironic would be if they got taken down due to leftist infigh-actually, no, that’s also on brand. I guess if Trump - no, that would also…
…Is this what they mean by “irony-poisoned”?
Yeah but on the other hand it’ll hardly be the first time this community has moved. Looking at the frontpage of chapo.chat the userbase doesn’t seem particularly bothered by the possibility.
I found some people alleging the sav.com is sketchy about other aspects of their service. It wouldn’t surprise me if they tactically overreacted to a single missed email, or a single expired credit card, or something like that, to squeeze their client for more money.
What was the problem with Hexbear again?
It’s only a problem if you don’t like having chauvinism and western state propaganda brainworms questioned. As a ND queer communist I have never felt more comfortable and welcome posting than on hexbear. Their mutual aid comm is highly active and an immensely helpful place for many people. It’s an adorable community, they get a bad rap by people that come in arguing in bad faith who then run away to shame the hateful ‘tankies’ on their main instance like this post here.
I’ve seen how they behave in other communities, they didn’t “question” anything, and there’s nothing adorable about them.
Maybe they think pigs shitting on their balls is adorable? Saw a whole lot of that from Hexbears.
That’s their fetish.
That’s not what I saw from what many instance admins have posted. They don’t seem friendly at all.
why not just join and see for yourself? Or dont even need to join, its a public website just browse for a bit
Most of them are tankies (dumb political ideology) but most people took issue with the fact that they were the most annoying people on Lemmy. Every thread they’d be in would be a collection of the worst takes imaginable and they liked to start arguments with everyone else
Let’s also not forget their emoji spamming either. They absolutely trashed many threads on servers federated with them.
Especially the pig shitting one.
Yup, that’s one of their favorites to spam.
“tankies” is not an ideology. It’s a perjorative term for anyone to the left of you.
Absolutely wrong. A tankie is a fake leftist who idolizes authoritarian regimes / leaders
So, it’s a perjorative then.
Sure like calling a Nazi a Nazi is technically pejorative. More importantly, it’s a warning identifier to others.
A Nazi is a real thing, there was a Nazi party that ruled a country, and there are still people nowadays who adhere to the ideals of that party.
There was never a “Tankie” party, it’s something that only exists in your head and has no representation in the real world.
It doesn’t have to be a defined party to be an ideology. It’s pretty hilarious y’all are defending authoritarian Stans
So Zante was right.
It’s clearly an ideology as well, which is what I was addressing. (Ideology/idolize)
“Tankie” is a caricature. The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist. In reality, the overwhelming majority of people labeled as such don’t actually fit that label, it’s more of a way to cast an image of someone’s positions based on, say, support for AES countries, and twist that into the evil Commie Pinko that haunts the dreams of 1960s children in the US.
So, yes, it’s a pejorative, and not one I think is aiding leftists trying to understand the views of others. More often than not it’s used as “commie” was: to shut down conversation and otherize people.
If someone supports authoritarians masquerading as leftists they subscribe to tankie ideology. Sucks for them that it’s a pejorative TOO.
If people don’t like being called it maybe they shouldn’t openly support such behavior.
What makes someone a Leftist, vs an “authoritarian masquerading as a leftist?” What is “tankie ideology?”
JAQ elsewhere. Ample resources to look up.
My late edit had some keywords to can type in if you’re unfamiliar.
i think its more of a general term, specifically with the focus on large government oversight.
We just need to add a “person with” on the parenthesis and it will be understandable enough
“tankies” don’t like anyone on the left of them
What’s to the left of “everybody to the left of Elizabeth Warren”?
Have you ever been around a child who gets some silly factoid in their head, but it’s completely wrong because children are still learning the very basics of synthesizing the observable world into coherent ideas?
Hexbears are like children who have spent the last six hours explaining to you over and over again that cows can breathe under water.
Their users are needlessly hostile towards anyone who disagrees with them, they had a bug that caused their emotes to become oversized on Lemmy which quickly flooded threads when their users spam them, and they have a reputation for brigading threads to “dunk” on people. They also really like to flood threads with graphic images of pigs shitting on their own testicles, because that’s definitely what normal people do.
It’s worth noting that they don’t federate with other instances to participate in good faith, they do so in order to dunk on people and “dismantle Western propaganda” and “plant the beans of truth in other instances fields” and in general act in bad faith. Worse, their instance admins did little to stop this.
They were defederated from many instances for good reason, as their behaviour drove away a lot of new users. A lot of Hexbear users have alts on lemmy.ml and midwest.social, so the defederation doesn’t stop their users from continuing to be dickheads.
And if you’d like some receipts, I have plenty of examples. Best viewed from an instance that federates with Hexbear, so you can see their behaviour for yourself.
https://lemmy.ca/post/3326347 https://lemm.ee/post/4543536 https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/2017079 https://lemmy.world/post/2498330
Oh wow OK.
Thanks for the detailed explanation and sources.
No problem. I was around when Hexbear was still federated with my instance and saw the worst of it all, so I try to keep people informed. Their behaviour nearly made me leave Lemmy entirely, and no doubt others have because of it.
