• TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    There ain’t no war but class war. The reason America and other democracies around the world are failing to stand up to Russia is because the oligarchs of those democracies are jealous of Russian oligarchs.

    Being a billionaire in Russia grants you the power and resources of the state. You can openly murder members of the press, forever imprison the political opposition, bury activists, and crush your workers for trying to unionize. And all you have to do is kiss one ring, that’s it.

    Then you can continue destroying the country and turning it into a machine that kills the poor, while you sip on your drink on a beach in Thailand.

    I don’t think Putin owns Trump because he’s been compromised in some way, he and other rich people just like the way Putin runs things. So long as you’re loyal you get to do whatever you want.

    • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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      2 months ago

      Thank you for not falling for all that liberal pro Ukraine propaganda.

      The difference between a Russia controlled oligarchy and a western oligarchy wasn’t/isn’t worth killing all those poor Ukrainian (and Russian) sods.

      • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        Eh… Just because I recognize class war when I see it doesn’t mean I don’t support Ukraine’s right to independence.

        It was the Russian oligarchs who started the war and should receive the lion’s share of blame for the deaths of both Ukrainian and Russian civilians. Russia is clearly a more hierarchical and violent government than just about any nation in the world, and I won’t strip away the Ukrainian people’s autonomy and right to choose the future they will.

        • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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          2 months ago

          Sorry, but as soon as you start blaming one imperialist more that the other, you’re pack, playing the imperialists’ games.

          Is Putin a horrible fascist? Yes. Am I trusting the media that Ukraine wants to be a liberal paradise where everyone is free to do and say what they want, as long as they win this proxy war of Europe/the US? Nope.

          • TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee
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            2 months ago

            Sorry, but as soon as you start blaming one imperialist more that the other, you’re pack, playing the imperialists’ games.

            You are doing the same by capitulating to a fascist invasion without regard to the people being invaded…

            Is Putin a horrible fascist? Yes.

            But apparently not horrible enough to validate self defense?

            Am I trusting the media that Ukraine wants to be a liberal paradise where everyone is free to do and say what they want

            What the media says is irrelevant to the nature of the conflict. A sovereign nation is defending itself versus a fascist invasion.

            long as they win this proxy war of Europe/the US? Nope.

            Ahh, so Ukrainians have no autonomy or right to fight against an invasion? If Ukrainians were solely puppets of the US and Western Europe they wouldn’t be willing to lay their lives down for their country, nor could they have ever defended themselves against such a larger and more well equipped foe. They would have fallen to the initial invasion, just as Russia initially thought was going to happen.

            The cognitive dissonance required to attack “the media” while regurgitating pro Russian media is astounding. I really wonder if you are purposely being obtuse for propaganda purposes, or if you are just such a contrarian you actually believe the nonsense that you amplify.