Like:
People should be allowed to exist
Social programs aren’t communism
The system isn’t working for the people
Edit:
I’ve changed my mind on this.
Let the DNC go full MAGA and when they lose, because they will lose, they get the heat and we can eject them forever. At least sit them in a corner.
Progressives, you fight if you want but I don’t believe the elections will be fair so it’s a win win for you.
Love America, stop letting extremists speak for us, get involved with regular people, foster community, and govern better. The democrats might have a chance after all.
Look everyone! Words! in a meme! It has to be true! Get your pitchforks fellow leftists! The meme said we hunt tonight!
“I like money”
Jesus does this country need to get off of the two party system. Unfortunately, the only way to do this is to get someone elected via the current system who’s willing buck the system that put them into power.
Not quite true. The two party system is an organic result of First Past The Post voting. Since voting is determined on the local level (as opposed to the federal level) it’ll be easier to change to Rank Choice and get somebody new elected that way.
Not “easy” mind you, but “easier”
This is the key component that the “vote third party” people keep missing.
The blue MAGA are here on Lemmy and I ran into couple of them. They keep shouting to the rooftops that the Democratic party did nothing wrong and berate Trump voters as stupid and ignorant. But they are tone deaf when you point out that the Democratic party is not willing to run on the platform on Medicare-for-all, build more social housing and increase federal minimum wage (and ditch Israel), which made the party unappealing and lose consistently. Basically, blue MAGA don’t want to go left, because even if they are socially progressive on issues, they benefit from wealth inequality because they themselves are affluent in spite of being socially progressive.
“26 replies” but I cant see any of them because I have those kinds of idiots blocked
But they are tone deaf when you point out that the Democratic party is not willing to run on the platform on Medicare-for-all, build more social housing and increase federal minimum wage (and ditch Israel), which made the party unappealing and lose consistently.
Oh cool, those are winning issues in the Dem primaries, right?
So you are indeed one of those.
It is as if Bernie, a more popular candidate, wasn’t deliberately sidelined. It is as if Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, another popular politician, wasn’t selected to head the Oversight committee and chose instead a geriatric, monied politician. It is
And finally, ask yourself, is not running on those popular platforms gave Democrats the win in elections? Or are you going to call people dumb? Who is really the dumb one for losing against annoying orange?
So you are indeed one of those.
“BlueMAGA is when you look at a fascist-voting electorate and don’t see The Indomitable Rise Of The Proletariat™ in a fascist electoral victory”
It is as if Bernie, a more popular candidate, wasn’t deliberately sidelined.
More popular as measured by…?
It is as if Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, another popular politician, wasn’t selected to head the Oversight committee and chose instead a geriatric, monied politician.
That has nothing to do with Dem primaries or the electorate, man.
And finally, ask yourself, is not running on those popular platforms gave Democrats the win in elections?
No. If it was, why would Bernie not have won the Dem primaries? If these positions were so overwhelmingly popular when expressed by politicians and not as abstracts, why would Bernie, an undeniably charismatic, fucking spotless politician with years of experience and a sharp wit, lose to Clinton, and then Biden?
Or are you going to call people dumb? Who is really the dumb one for losing against annoying orange?
I didn’t realize intelligence was measured in votes. I guess I have to concede that your position is correct - by that measure, fascism is smart, while all the losers are dumb. Like the Dems. And the PSL.
After all, if they were smart, they would’ve won, right?
I’m a two-time Bernie voter. If there was a real primary in '24, I probably would’ve been a three-time Bernie voter. I marched for him back when my leg was good. I donated. I hammered on doors.
People are not as left as you think they fucking are.
Your comment is strange and contradictory, which I have suspicion of on what your trying to do. But I will bite.
Dem primaries-- much of whom are full of blue MAGA and rigged by DNC elites-- selecting a non-popular candidate who will do the bidding of corporate donors will not win the actual election. Bernie is popular when polled on national level (by the way, in a hypothetical election between Trump and Bernie, showed the latter would be way ahead). But if polled among the elites and blue MAGA such as yourself? Of course he is not popular.
Dem primaries-- much of whom are full of blue MAGA and rigged by DNC elites-- selecting a non-popular candidate who will do the bidding of corporate donors will not win the actual election.
Rigged how?
Bernie is popular when polled on national level (by the way, in a hypothetical election between Trump and Bernie, showed the latter would be way ahead).
Okay, so it should have been easy for him to get out the vote in the primaries, right?
But if polled among the elites and blue MAGA such as yourself? Of course he is not popular.
I literally pointed out that I’m a Bernie supporter. Did you forget to read the comment before replying or something?
Would you like to remind me what Bernie’s weakest demographics were in the Dem primaries, in 2016 and 2020?
Anyone who genuinely support Sanders would not be begging the questions and pretending not to know how the DNC deliberately sidelined him; nor not know how popular his policies are when polled among Americans, which the polls are easily searched on the Internet if one types how popular a given Bernie Sanders or the general progressive proposals are.
You are not really fooling anyone feigning to be Bernie supporter but an actual DNC sock puppet. It is not my problem though, it is the Democratic party who will keep losing (not that they care, they mind more not alienating their rich donors that also fund the Republicans).
They keep shouting to the rooftops that the Democratic party did nothing wrong
Yeah I don’t believe you. People aren’t saying that. That is you taking the liberty of recharacterizing their thoughts.
There are plenty of them if you lurk long enough. They will harp “vote blue, no matter who” and repeating the meme “leopards ate your face”. The litmus test is to mention that Democrats did not go left enough which is why people voted for Trump (who promised the always appealing tax cuts amidst the growing inequality and radical reshoring of companies), and blue MAGA will bury their heads in the sand and keep calling Latinos, black folks and white working class and others who are working three jobs, living pay check to paycheck, and can’t afford to pay for medical insurance as ignorant, racist, misogynists, Uncle Toms, etc.
Sure it was stupid to vote Trump, but it was more stupid of Democrats to lose to an orange man by not appealing and refusing to acknowledge those who have economic anxieties brought by mismanaged globalisation. It would have been an easy victory, but blue MAGA and DNC do not want to alienate the same donors that fund the Republicans (I mean, look at the screenshot where it says to court big donors instead).
Sure it was stupid to vote Trump, but it was more stupid of Democrats to lose to an orange man by not appealing and refusing to acknowledge those who have economic anxieties brought by mismanaged globalisation.
Average red fascist preferring literal fascists to the dreaded Shitlibs™
You have it the other way around. It is the Shitlibs™ preferring literal fascists by not going left enough on common sense policies that the rest of other developed countries take for granted. By not running on popular policies, Shitlibs are tacitly allowing literal fascists to take power. Instead, all the Shitlibs/blue MAGA say is “I am not my opponent. And you will be happy with our breadcrumb policies or the other guy wins! (But we don’t care, we get paid by our corporate donors regardless)”
You have it the other way around. It is the Shitlibs™ preferring literal fascists by not going left enough on common sense policies that the rest of other developed countries take for granted.
“They didn’t go far left enough; therefore, the smarter choice was to vote for the furthest right option available.”
👏
By not running on popular policies, Shitlibs are tacitly allowing literal fascists to take power.
Tell me more about these popular policies. Or rather, tell me more about their popularity in the US electorate.
“They didn’t go far left enough; therefore, the smarter choice was to vote for the furthest right option available.”
They didn’t offer any meaningful change at a time when voters were upset with the status quo, therefore the voters chose a fascist who was offering something rather than nothing.
At the end of the day, we lost. And we have to talk about why we lost if we want to learn any lessons next time.
They didn’t offer any meaningful change at a time when voters were upset with the status quo, therefore the voters chose a fascist who was offering something rather than nothing.
Doesn’t make it a smart fucking choice. If anything, context makes it stupider.
At the end of the day, we lost. And we have to talk about why we lost if we want to learn any lessons next time.
And unfortunately, ‘policy wasn’t left enough’ isn’t the answer.
Dem policy should move leftward, mind you. But not because it’ll win us votes. Policy is of marginal importance to everyone save a handful of terminally educated political junkies like us. Dem policy should move leftward because left policy will be better for the country and move the country itself left in the long-term.
Elections, though? We have to win those using different criteria than “What’s good for the country.”
Or at least, we did. God knows if we’ll have meaningful elections again at this point.
This user’s recent post is a pretty good indicator of how little they understand
Nice projection, idiot. You’re the one preferring literal fascist than departing from neolib policies.
im not even from the US and i see this shit constantly on Lemmy
I have been accused of loving Democrats for saying things like “what are Democrats supposed to do about voters who would let trump win?” It’s as though nuance was outlawed and people cannot understand that a problem can have multiple causes.
And yes I’ve heard all that about being inspiring. The reality is that educated people would’ve made very different voting choices. Americans are incredibly ignorant. Democrats can’t hypnotize people into not being idiots
I find the concept of “voters were just to dumb, cant do anything about that” to be quite representative of what is wrong with the party. It is elitist, it is factually false and it is deeply undemocratic.
Yes I’m aware that people think nonvoters are helpless and then somehow find that better than being dumb
What Democrats are supposed to do is sell those voters on a platform of meaningful change that addresses their fears and concerns. It’s a candidate’s job to win voters over to their side, and if they can’t do that, you have to actually ask questions about what went wrong and learn lessons from it instead of throwing your hands up and declaring it’s everyone else’s fault but the DNC’s. Otherwise that attitude is what will lead to doing the exact same thing in 2028 and getting the same results.
throwing your hands up and declaring it’s everyone else’s fault but the DNC’s.
The worst of the mindless drivel I find so incredibly frustrating. Things can have more than one cause, as you’re so clumsily trying to ignore. When voters need convincing to exit a burning building, that would indicate a problem with their mentality as well. I’m done arguing about this extremely simple concept.
The point is that blaming voters isn’t actionable or useful. It isn’t a lesson we can learn for 2028. And when that’s what people keep deflecting the conversation to, it sure seems like a way for the DNC to avoid taking responsibility.
When you ask the question “what are Democrats supposed to do?”, the answer is not “nothing”.
Rendering the voters blameless is ignoring a reality that necessarily is a part of strategizing moving forward.
When you ask the question “what are Democrats supposed to do?”, the answer is not “nothing”.
No shit? They didn’t do “nothing”, they did ineffective things half assedly. But sure it’s really helpful just to think of everything as black and white. It’s been working out SO well recently. Now, get back to defending not voting as somehow blameless
This is just the standard blue dog democrat crap that they have been pushing for the last 30 years.
Guys I think it’s finally time. To quadruple down.
I smell bullshit here, but yeah this is definitely a laundry list of exactly the stuff not to do. A moderate democrat is a Krysten Sinema and a Joe Manchin that exactly did a lot of damage to Democrats.
Also, owning up to democratic governance issues of large cities? Republicans run <20% of America’s top 50 cities, and 10% of the top 30. Republicans are not in the business of running large cities, so WTF would give credence to them on a topic they literally have no expertise or relevant track record in doing.
The Overton window just keeps sliding to the right
I do agree with the first point. Leftists need to take back the American flag. America used to stand for inclusion. Now it seems like American flags plastered means Maga.
Lol, America has never stood for inclusion. Every new demographic has faced extreme bigotry. People had to fight tooth and nail to be included. They literally had to amend our founding document several times because of it.
We should definitely try to be better, but let’s not pretend that the US wasn’t built on the bodies of people who wanted to be included.
Yes every demographic faced bigotry. But the ideal of America was that it’s not supposed to be that way.
Well yeah, it’s the American Dream, and dreams aren’t real.
That’s because most people don’t have the will, grit or fortitude to work for better they may never see. It’s sad.
It’s unbelievable selfish short sightedness, isn’t it? It’s astounding to think about when you realize that these freaks think they’re doing what’s best because they’re so propagandized to think that worrying only about yourself and your closest relatives is what’s right and good, meanwhile the rest of us are trying to ensure there’s a world for the children of 160 years from now to inherit.
It doesn’t matter. There’s something to be said for doing what you honestly believe is the right thing, even if that means being alone.
This could tactically work for them, given that the Republican Party has been hollowed out by a transnational crime syndicate, leaving conservatives who aren’t fascists and don’t want to see America burn without a party. Still sucks to be the progressives they’d kick to the kerb, though if this craters the Republican Party, it’ll leave a vacuum to be filled by a second party, the most obvious candidate being the Democrats’ marginalised left wing. So America would end up with a centre-right Democratic Party, which would be somewhere between Eisenhower Republicans and the German CDU or similar, and a new left-of-centre party, which would basically be the Dems minus all the Manchins and Blue Dogs and other spoilers. (Unless there is significant electoral reform, both would be the only viable parties, and each would be a broad church.)
This could tactically work for them
Lol, it absolutely will not. Republicans are republicans, first and foremost. They are voting republican because republicans are their sports team. It does not matter what the policies espoused by democrats are, they are democrats, and thus verboten for republicans.
Do you not remember the hilarious interviews where democratic (maybe obama specifically, depends on the video) policies were pitched to republicans, and they agreed with them up until the reveal that the policy was from the ‘wrong side’ of the political aisle?
I’m sure if they break right then those Republicans they’ve been chasing for the last 40 years will finally vote for them!
Just a bit further now… Soon they’ll be doing the “Roman” salutes too.
Listen, you seem to be confused. The Democratic party isn’t there to protect your rights and pioneer progress. They’re aim is to win elections. If appealing to the right is what wins them elections then that’s what they’ll do. It worked for the Republicans so there’s no reason to believe it won’t help the Democrats win too. They’re not there for your benefit. They’re there for their benefit.
Ok but appealing to the right hasn’t won them any elections. The right hates their guts.
Their idea to win elections is to try to beat Republicans in a constituency that is already entrenched for Republicans. This plan is dumb as shit without even talking about ideological reasons to oppose it.
OP is right though: the Democrats and the Republicans are not like parties in every other democracy, i.e. expressions of specific political ideologies. They are institutional electoral machines, of an institutionally two-party state. They have their altered their ideological core before: prior to FDR the Democrats were basically just populist racists. They can easily alter their ideological core in the future as well. It just so happens that in the latest party system the Democrats have been the machine used by the American centre and centre left.
I’ve been saying this for a number of months now you got to kill this party. Abandon it completely. We got to start a new party. We got to start a labor party. A worker party. A party of the people. Whatever we want to call it, but whatever it’s called it’s a party that’s not for the big corporate donors that control the Democratic Party. The Democratic party basically since the late '70s but certainly since the '80s abandoned the people the peoples issues. They’re not coming back.
The usa needs something like ranked choice before that becomes any way viable.
Some form of Ranked Choice Voting could save what democracy we have. The fact that the leadership of both parties oppose it so vociferously should be enough evidence for anyone to realize it.
“But I don’t want to believe we’re losing horribly, I’d rather believe we’re nearly winning!”
— Liberals
Winner take all didn’t save the whigs.
The system of “parties” and “representation” is a complete joke that’s a root cause of this genocidal empire.
“Guys I figured it out! Republicans win so we just need to be Republicans! It’s fool proof!”
“Doesn’t that just mean Republicans are now dirty liberals?”
you want a maga monarchy, even long after the diaper’s been buried? this is one of many ways to hand it to them.
Nooo, you’re not supposed to blame Democratic leadership, you’re supposed to blame the voters!
As long as they’re part of the aristocracy they don’t care.
Jesus Christ, is this real?
Big cities have problems, but they are still far better off than small town rural America. There isn’t some specific failure happening in large cities, you’re seeing the broad inevitable enshittification of Capitalism as a system.
Democrats must be some serious masochists, they would actually rather take the blame thenselves than admit capitalism is wrong.
DNC: we tried bootlicking billionaires and it didn’t work, what if we double down on bootlicking billionaires even harder.
The top of the Democratic party basically wants to become the party of big money and try and steal this mantle from the Republicans.
Obviously, this isn’t going to work because the donors will just go for the party that will give them more, and they will always be the Republicans party.
This is basically just the campaign advisors trying to get as much money into the campaigns as possible, because they get a cut of every ad buy. They’re not interested in making things better for the people, just looking at their bottom line.
It’s also reported here. This fits with the reports of complaining that Democratic Congresspeople have been doing about the progressive wing of the party wanting them to fight back against DOGE. They and party leadership may well be aiming to not just talk like it, but fully become the new Republican party, in hopes of having a stampede of “moderate” Republicans who aren’t happy with Trump come their way.
Also, big donors are angry at them, so I guess they’re trying to win those donors back.
It’s always about the dollars, not about the votes
