After announcing retaliatory tariffs against the U.S., Prime Minister Trudeau delivered a message to the American people.
  • chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    If Trump backs down on the tariffs, Canada should only back down halfway. Make it clear there are permanent consequences every time he fucks with the world economy on a whim.

  • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    If we’re truly a government “of the people, by the people, and for the people” then we did it to ourselves.

    If we’re not that then we should “dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another”

    • Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      It is your government. This is your head of state and the head of the US government weilding power that once belonged to Congress but ceeded to the executive branch about a hundred years ago. This man represents you.

      I understand it is uncomfortable. That you wish it wasn’t so I get it… But Do not diminish this fact because these are the stakes. He is your, I repeat Your, Government. Do not wash your hands of him acting as he does because in your silence and denial he still acts on your behalf and you need so much more than silence and denial.

      • FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Stop trying to be so edgy, asshole. I didn’t ask for this, and basically nobody else on Lemmy did either simply based on user demographics. Even younger-middle-aged people have only been eligible to vote in a handful of presidential elections, and we’re fighting decades of gerrymandering, bribery, greed, and billions of dollars in corporate money propaganda campaigns. Basically all there is for me to do is vote at the polls and put my money where my mouth is, which I’m already doing. I’m not going to go out and riot and be sent to jail so I can lose everything because Walmart thought Trump would yield another half a percent to their stock prices.

        When something comes up that I can do, I’ll join in, but I’m not going to have randos berate me for BS I never asked for.

        • Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          Well quite frankly nobody asked for this but we have it and we’re not the first fucking generation to have to put aome skin on the line to make the place we live habitable after everything goes to shit. If you think all you can do is wait to cash your ballot or wave a sign then I am speaking to you. It’s time to organize better and move because it is only going to get worse from here.

          You are free to ignore this. You are free to go quietly. However keep your destructive apathy to yourself. More of us have to look apathy and personal disenfranchisement from the system in the eye and see it as the weight that stops any of this from ever getting better.

          • FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world
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            2 months ago

            Yeah, because voting and refusing to support republican business is “apathy”. Good luck convincing anyone other than your own echo chamber to do more than that.

            • Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
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              2 months ago

              No APATHY is calling a call for further action moreso than the feather touch of resistance “being an edgelord” it’s an attempt to shame someone into less vocal rhetoric so that people take what is happening less seriously. It’s an attempt to shame people out of mobilizing.

              You want to stay out of the frontline? Fine. Move to the rear and stay out of the way of the people who are showing up People who are taking classes in collective action or medic training, showing up to protests and getting arrested or helping their neighbours with minor acts of institutional sabotage. You don’t get to shame on people taking this more seriously than you are.

              We are so far beyond caring about toothless boycotts.

          • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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            2 months ago

            It really isn’t. The Jewish people did not willingly help Hitler. To lump them together with him is wrong.

            That’s exactly what’s going on here when you assert that every American wanted what’s going on right now.

            Trump is attacking half of America on a daily basis right now, and he’s dismantling centuries of progress. To see every American as complicit is dehumanizing and, quite frankly, very nationalistic. Nationalism was a very strong compenent of Hitler’s success.

  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    We get it. By all means, Trudeau, bring the pain. Show America there are consequences. If you don’t, this will happen again. And again. And again.

  • Rev. Layle@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Yeah, as an American I think we are truly fucked AND fucking over allies for no good reason.

    I get the vitriol, we have to accept that and see if we can pull our collective heads out of our collective asses in the coming year or so.

    • Jhex@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      No, you need to take to the streets and stop this madness RIGHT NOW

      You are watching your house on fire and saying “well we done fucked up, maybe we’ll sleep it off and come next week with some water”

      You will not have a country to save in 2 yers and hoping on the midterms is like curing cancer with thoughts and prayers

  • JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    The Americans chose, or allowed their opponents to choose him. The voters own all of the next 4 years.

    But yes, when was the last time inaction in protest worked?

      • then_three_more@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        They’ll have an election. You just won’t be allowed to vote against the glorious leader.

        Or a marginally less cynical take, targeted voter surpression will mean that only republicans get elected president. So in four years they’ll get president Vance.

          • dgmib@lemmy.world
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            2 months ago

            Their process is more complicated.

            For congress to remove Trump first the house needs to vote with a 50% majority to impeach Trump for “Treason, bribery, or high crimes” the house does get to decide if something Trump has done meets that bar.

            Then the senate needs to decide to have a trial not a criminal or civil trial, but a trial to decide of Trump should be removed from office.

            Then the house gets to present its case proving the crime, then if the senate votes with a 2/3rds majority to convict, Trump would e removed from office, and barred from any future government office. If convicted, VP Vance would become the president until the next election.

            Impeachment is a remedial process, not a punitive one, it can only remove Trump from office it can’t punish him for his crimes, though he may face a separate criminal trial for the same crime at that point.

            • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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              2 months ago

              So, remember how a few months ago, the South Korean president and defense minister declared martial law and tried to openly stage a military coup?

              I expect that to happen here. Congress won’t do shit about it - they’ll lean into it, because the “opposition” has all the backbone of a sea cucumber, and the GOP congresspersons have either drunk the kool-aid, or (like the “opposition”) have been scared into compliance.

              And I expect the insurrection act to be invoked (which lets the president deputize more or less whoever he wants… so, proud boys et al will be the new brownshirts). And I don’t think many people understand how much of a real threat those wingnut militias are. They’ve got a LOT more guerrilla/resistance-cell-type organization than most realize. It’s one of the reasons I’m so deeply concerned about this whole shitshow. And one of his first act was to pardon a few thousand people, a lot of whom were involved in or sympathetic to those militias, so he’s got died-hard followers in that crowd. Like, “I won’t ever question your orders” die hard. He’s made himself into a very literal savior figure for them.

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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      2 months ago

      Discounting your allies here in the states will only help Trump. Good job, Trump and Vance approved of this message

      I’m serious. They love you for this. They love that you said this. Dismissing the dissenters here in the States is a great fascist tactic.

      Thanks. Kudos to you!!

      • nandeEbisu@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        As someone in the US living in a very progressive district, the general vibe of Democratic voters is what we should have gotten 8 years ago and even now I still get people saying we need to be more moderate and reach across the aisle.

        There is nothing for us across the aisle. Without a fundamental rework of the minority party we just end up back here 10-15 years later because fundamental issues aren’t solved and miserable people are easier to sell racist exploitative policies too. If you are comfortable and secure you’re more likely to support helping others without worrying about it putting you on the streets.

        I held my nose and voted blue no matter who, but there needs to be some consequences to supporting genocide. If Democratic leaders are going to hide behind bureaucracy then we need to go around it or we’re on the hook for whatever human rights abuses are done in our name.

        • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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          2 months ago

          Oh, absolutely. I’m not defending America. Nobody should trust us at this point. Our country is currently completely broken.

          But there are at least two major ways to see countries like ours that have evil leadership… You can blame the government and those that empower it, or you can blanket-blame all of the people that live there.

          If you blame the people, and it catches on, then you end up dehumanizing an entire segment of humanity. It’s not unlike being racist, ableist, or sexist. You’re stripping individuality from an entire group, and applying preconceived principals to them as a whole.

          America is a divided nation. Trump isn’t just harming our allies, and helping our enemies… He’s also first and foremost viciously attacking Americans and doing his best to strip away every freedom we have that might challenge him.

          This is a man that’s out to destroy America, and to disrupt the strength of those who oppose Putin. The best way for him to achieve his goal is to get all of us at one another’s throats. The more petty, the better - that’s Trump’s bread and butter. A divided world is easier to conquer, just like our nation.

          We can either stand together against tyranny as humans, or fall divided on our swords of ignorance and nationalism.

          • SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works
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            2 months ago

            Jesus Murphy, it isn’t dehumanizing it’s telling you you aren’t working hard enough or smart enough to fucking fix it, because no one else can.

  • ABetterTomorrow@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Yes, be more direct and be human. Explaining thing like “ETMI5” will get your point/message across and be understood. Like others have said, if we, the US, back down, Canada should only roll back half way after a certain period of time. We have to learn our lesson. The president is being an uneducated child and he represents us, we should be treated like a child. We all learned a lesson before and we lived and learn. Time to do so again. Turn up the heat!

    • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      It’s not about republicans, democrats, left or right anymore. It’s all Americans. As a Canadian I don’t see the difference anymore, your entire country is now an enemy

      • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works
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        2 months ago

        I can get that from a feelings perspective or a reductionist view for simplicity in certain applications, but applying even a little intellect it’s obvious that while statistically, yes America is mostly full of undereducated hateful bigots, it’s of course plenty easy to find large pockets of perfectly reasonable people. Be careful with oversimplifying the situation.