Israel be like:
It just randomly disappeared, no one knows what happened to it 🤷
like Nord stream
Probably a Russian false-flag operating
why would they?
So they can accuse Ukraine and the US of doing it. That’s how a false-flag operation works.
and then what?
we still dont know fuck shit about nordstream, it’s theorized that it was ukraine, but we don’t exactly have super solid evidence of this. it could’ve been russia, but let’s be real. It probably wasn’t. It could’ve been china, but i doubt that they cared. Could’ve been the US, i sincerely doubt this. Could’ve been one of the european nations, or maybe just a rich billionaire or some shit, who knows.
What we do know, is that the attack was for all four of the pipelines, and one of them failed to properly destroy the pipeline, so presumably there is some amount of forensic evidence there. And it seems like nobody really wants to talk about it for fears of starting ww3
I have no doubt that the US was behind the destruction of Nord Stream 2, Biden said as much in 2022 in the lead up to the war
https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8?si=rP-MMg4bbvFpnqe9
During a joint press conference with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, President Biden is asked about the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
“If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
when asked how, the president says, “I promise you, we will be able to do that.”
i mean this isn’t proof. This is pretty typical for legislative speak.
Also there are literally people speaking german in this video.
im no forensic analyst but i’d probably venture to say that it would have been some number of the explosive munitions that ended up in the ordeal.
Destroyed by both sides in a war cause by a Palestinian government that has majority support. Palestinians should be rising up against their government for starting a war they were not prepared for.
Or maybe, almost a century of colonization on Israel’s part has left Palestinians with no choice but to defend themselves violently. Don’t want terrorists? Maybe don’t bomb civilians and civilian infrastructure. Because every bomb you drop on a residential building is going to end up creating more terrorists than you kill.
Since you say they had no choice but to defend themselves violently pre October 7 then Isreal loses nothing by destroying gaza because they were already radicalized and already had a justification for war. So Isreal should take the opportunity oct7 provided to destroy all their military capabilities.
Palestinians have to realize that their situation isn’t getting better when they “violently defend themselves” the only way to improve their situation is through diplomacy amwhich requires making concessions to reach a deal.
then Isreal loses nothing by destroying gaza
So we’re just going full mask off genocide? Get a grip.
Palestinians have to realize that their situation isn’t getting better
If you had any understanding of history, you’d know that has always been the case no matter what. Every decade, they’ve faced massacres, destruction of their homes, and ethnic cleansing.
It has always been the case that their situation isn’t getting better, it has always been getting worse. Israel going full genocidal mode after October 7th was inevitable. At least now the world is paying closer attention and pressuring Israel and public officials to shut it down.
the only way to improve their situation is through diplomacy amwhich requires making concessions to reach a deal.
Not possible when Israel has a policy of “we will kill you, or take your home, we will accept nothing else”.
Clearly you haven’t been paying attention, because for he last several months Israel has constantly reiterated that regardless of what deals are made, the only condition for ending their attacks is the end of Hamas. But conveniently everybody who dies gets called Hamas. According to Israel, basically no civilians have been killed.
You can’t negotiate with genocidal maniacs. There is no middle ground when one side wants genocide, and the other just wants to live.
From isreals point of view they are fighting a “just war” (oxymoron yes I know) and are free to complete their war aims of destroying hamas. The rest of the world isn’t standing in the way of Isreal so they aren’t forced to give up much more than some PR.
If you knew anything about history you would know why the Palestinian situation continues getting worse and why they are constantly in wars. It’s definitely as much Palestinians blocking peace as Isreal.
Every single time a ceaswfire deal gets close hamas changes the deal at the last minute to something they know is unreasonable thereby taking negotiations back to step 1. If Palestinians wanted peace they would target hamas and not Isreal. They aren’t going to defeat Isreal. The only thing standing In the way of a ceasefire is the gazan “government” and the Palestinian support for them. So we can rephrase that as the only thing in the way of peace is the Palestinians living in Gaza.
If a ceasefire deal isn’t reached it won’t be Isrealis dying it won’t be Isreal losing land. The only people getting hurt are the Palestinians. I guess the Palestinians know thay they can just wait for the fighting to end and the rest of the world will come rebuild their cities and give them food, water and when have recovered they can go right back to attacking Isreal.
You mean the water system which has been cannibalized for years by Hamas to create mortars used to attack Israeli civilians?
So Hamas made Israel blow shit up, eh?
If the infrastructure wasn’t intentionally sabotaged by Hamas there would be less suffering. Water infrastructure in Gaza has been suffering for years due to Hamas’ actions. Bombing provoked by October 7th and the continued holding of hostages has exacerbated the problem but let’s not pretend that municipal water “run” by a genocidal terrorist group was serving all innocent Palestinians with the water they needed prior to the war.
When did Hamas sabotage the water infrastructure?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/13/middleeast/hamas-weapons-invs/index.html
Hamas produces the vast majority of its own Qassam rockets these days, said the researcher, given the difficulties of smuggling in larger rockets into the blockaded Gaza Strip. How the group manufactures the makeshift rockets is less known. In previous battles with Israel, Hamas was known to have fired rockets made of old water pipes, the researcher noted.
Hamas dug up some water pipes beneath old abandoned Israeli settlements in Gaza for rockets…In the far past from a time Israelis controlled Gaza.
Extrapolating this event in the far past this to dismantling the actual water supply of Gaza to make rockets is a slight stretch to say the least. Especially since we have satalite images of it being destroyed by Israeli rockets
I never meant to imply or state that the bombing has no impact, or even that it isn’t the most significant impact. We should be able to acknowledge that war is terrible and harms innocent civilians while also acknowledging that the governing power of Gaza has taken steps to further endanger Palestinians living there.
I have not seen Hamas damaging any water supply systems that are in use. Only Israel is doing that.
The old pipes you referred to, beneath the abandoned Israeli settlements, were not in use.
Wow. Maybe Israel shouldn’t have helped Hamas get elected, then.
Yes. It was an obvious mistake of historic proportions and one which I as well as many others interested in a lasting peace between an Israeli and Palestinian state have opposed.
It wasn’t a mistake. Israel wanted a terrorist group in charge of gaza so that they could justify the current bombings and genocide. It was all intentional. Going exactly according to plan. It’s all Israel’s fault.
Any response to any of this @[email protected] ?
Please prepend https:// to that BBC URL.
Lemmy otherwise tries to open it like this:
https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68969239.ampWill do, thank you for the heads up!!
E: added, should work now 👍
And while you’re at it, remove this shitty AMP link
People like you are unsung heroes in the never ending, always attacked, struggle against ignorance and in this case, a bizarre blend of stupidity and evil to come up with lines like this.
“Gaza is in ruins? Well did you know the palestinian children ruined their own buildings to make rocks to throw at innocent israeli pregnant mothers!”
I cannot fathom how you can look at a slaughter currently taking place and side with the slaughterers and it’s incredibly depressing. The only glimmer of hope is that there are people willing to do the work of compiling sources and pushing back on the brain-dead monsters who want to see suffering.
man the rhetoric on these israel palestine conflict posting only gets more and more extreme.
Sometimes i worry about the palatability of content on the internet.
Once you stand on the side of the occupying regime commiting unspeakable acts of horror, your only option is to condemn the oppressed for their suffering. It’s the only way to square the circle. It’s the only way to maintain the illusion that you’re supporting The Good Guys.
I rejected these actions when my country did it. I reject it when other countries do it.
It’s not hard to oppose killing. I’m not even a pacifist nor do I believe all wars are inherently unjustified, but I can clearly see when a state just wants to kill people for the sake of exerting dominance and control. It’s not hard to see, and it’s not hard to oppose.
The opposition doesn’t have the greatest impact per individual, but it also doesn’t do any harm to you or your life. It won’t be held against you by anyone, you won’t have to change all your ideals about anything. Just oppose killing, oppose death being inflicted punitively against populations. Do no harm, right? It’s NOT a complicated issue in reality. The people who keep crying “it’s complicated!” are just trying to justify what they want, and what they want is death.
I am getting really tired of seeing so many people celebrating the deaths of innocent people.
I’m not an expert on any of this, but how are you able to type a line like this:
the water system which has been cannibalized for years by Hamas to create mortars used to attack Israeli civilians
Without realizing how incredibly asinine it sounds? Like, have you ever been outside? Have you ever had a job that handled materials of ANY kind? Do you know how things work at all? Because this is such an obviously stupid line to use to push back on the current fact that innocent people are being killed that it displays either a fantastic level of ignorance, or a fantastic level of evil. It’s one or the other, which bad wolf inside you are you feeding? The dumb one or the evil one?
Human ingenuity is a powerful force. Hamas has shown propaganda videos they filmed and published showing their production line using water pipes. Take a look and then I’ll happily discuss further
Ah yeah specifically what pipes are you smoking
I love how people are so willing to swallow even nonsense without question if it supports their emotional stance on a topic.
but the hospital even had a room filled with red barrel explosives!
The render can’t possibly lie. If we had just sent someone in there to shoot the barrels while the bad guys were standing next to them, we wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with.
probably because you can just buy water pipes from the global market at incredibly cheap prices.
Scavenging does wonders for price effectiveness.
Got a source? Got a link? Got anything to back up your bullshit claims? Got literally anything to prove what you’re saying besides vibes? Please drop it here, please show me this video you speak of.
There’s an Al Jazeera documentary with a video of water pipes being used to make rockets: https://www.memri.org/tv/jazeera-documentary-hamas-missile-industry-iran-sends-kornet-fajr-missiles-to-gaza-reclaims-munitions
Absolutely unhinged
Aye, that’s the one!
Who’s blowing everything in Gaza up?
Here’s the article… https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd119dz515wo
If the infrastructure wasn’t intentionally sabotaged by Hamas there would be less suffering. Water infrastructure in Gaza has been suffering for years due to Hamas’ actions. Bombing provoked by October 7th and the continued holding of hostages has exacerbated the problem but let’s not pretend that municipal water “run” by a genocidal terrorist group was serving all innocent Palestinians with the water they needed prior to the war.
If the infrastructure wasn’t intentionally sabotaged by Hamas there would be less suffering.
Sure, but if the entire city wasn’t bombed to rubble then there would be a LOT less suffering. Calling for ending the destruction of a whole community of people, including mostly civilians and children, shouldn’t get horrible people like you coming out of the woodwork to push back on calls for mercy and compassion for people who have done nothing to deserve what’s being done to them.
People like you break my heart. I will tell my friends and family about you personally. I want you to know that. I will tell them tonight how I was just seeing a bad person online who supports the mindless murder of civilians. Some random person who had to type out their defense and justification for inflicting suffering on innocent people. You are an example so thank you, I can screen-shot this and compile this along with others who support genocide and suffering of people for their skin color and ethnicity, and maybe your little comment here will make it into a history book someday.
What side of history do you think you’ll land on anyway? I would offer you a lot of historical examples of similar situations and the people who had takes like yours.
I hope you and your family are well. I’m sorry that the most interesting thing you have to talk about is my comment on some meme.
You’re more sorry about that than justifying genocide?
So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three — that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, “a death sentence.” So, we’re seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.
“A Textbook Case of Genocide”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal Decries Israel’s Assault on Gaza
it’s not that innocent what you are engaged in, child
Your argument is my least favourite, because what you’re saying is at least largely true (not sure about everything you’ve said but most of it)… But it’s also irrelevant and absolutely neither an excuse for Israel’s actions. At all. This is the worst kind of whataboutism.
That shit is very much like the Nazis blaming the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto for what the Nazis were doing to them.
The ethno-Fascists style of excuse is the same for Zionists as it was for Nazis with little more than the names of the “ethnics” and of the “places” changed.
So, what’s your final solution to this Palestinian problem?
The whole Zyklon-B, death camps and train transport would be too much of a hassle and too obvious in the XXI century.
Death by Starvation, Disease and Dehydration is a much cheaper Final Solution and pro-Genocide Propagandists can even blame the victims themselves.
The hacker known as “war-chan.”
It infuriates me how the narrative goes like this: Hamas (or any Palestinian group with even an ounce of power) is comprised of conscious actors who have agency and can/must be held accountable. Meanwhile, Israel is just this nebulous force of nature that happens and thus cannot be held accountable for it’s actions (like a hurricane or earthquake).
They call it “war”. Some German journalists call it “militarily operation”
They learned from the best! Only word “special” is missing.
Doublespeak.
As we all know Hamas unchecked friendly fire when they started the server, so nothing in Gaza was damaged by Hamas. So when they engage in a firefight with the IDF, their bullets and rockets have no affect on the property or the people in the area.
Speaking of rockets, could you kindly climb into one and go back to where you came from?
both israel and palestine have bombed shit they shouldn’t have.
Somehow israel managed to bomb AID vehicles.
Even when those aid vehicles are clearly marked and identify themselves as aid vehicles after they’re opened fire upon.
Yeah, the Hamas air force has been really just decimating Gaza.
Hamas terrorists were hiding inside the pipes. Like they do every Friday.
BuT mUh BoTh SiDeS!!!?!¡
Hamas made Israel do it.
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Kathy still haunts me from this movie. If I bump into a table and knock something over I always think of her when I try to put it back.
We’ll see there’s these things called rockets.
And in Hamas’s language they call rocket launch sites Alderaan. Google “The destruction of Alderaan” to learn more.
Now I’m left wondering what the children of a water system look like.
