I found this chart on reddit some time ago, I thought to repost it here as well
Seems to be missing the entire MAOI class (moclobemide, selegiline, phenelzine, tranylcypromine, isocarboxazid), and most tricyclics (clomipramine, imipramine, nortriptyline, et al)
Needs a column for “makes you feel like you are Being John Malkoviching as you linger behind your own eyes and watch another version of yourself interact with the world while being confused about who is actually controlling your vessel”, and put Bupropion at a 12.
That… explains a lot about a few months of my life
That shit is trippy as fuck to me, and not in a good way. More of a Twilight Zone sorta way.
I took Bupropion exactly once, and that day happened to coincide with the day of a first date. There was not a second date. I’d say something to her, but it wasn’t me, it was the “me” who was standing about three feet in front of me. I swear to Cotton Eyed Joe I could see the back of my own fucking head.
An off label use for Trazadone is as a sleep aid. At doses under 150 mg it doesn’t really work as an antidepressant but will make you drowsy. I’ve been prescribed it before as the first step before Ambien
Duloxetine ftw
I suffer from persistent depressive disorder with occasional major depressive episodes (aka “double depression”). These are just some notes in case anyone can relate. I also just find this kind of thing interesting…
- Bupropion (300mg qd for ~1-1.5 yrs): I felt no difference at all in my energy/interest levels, but also no noticeable negative effects.
- Diazepam (5-10mg prn): Barely perceptible effect at 5mg but felt slightly intoxicated at 10mg. Sometimes helpful to break out of dissociation during double-depressive episodes.
- Duloxetine (60-90mg qd for ~9 months): I felt no noticeable positive effects - only anorgasmia, insomnia, and restless leg syndrome the night of dosage adjustments.
- Escitalopram (10mg qd for 3-4 months): made me feel nauseous for ~30s every day without fail, and made me feel completely grey - no positive or negative feelings whatsoever.
- Trazedone (25mg prn): Effective for me as a sleep aid; no experience with chronic use as an antidepressant.
I did a bit of searching but I don’t really understand what QTc prolongation is. Can anyone help me understand?
During your heart’s electrical conduction there are different phases. You have the contraction of the atria. The little pumps above the ventricle (main pumps) whose role is to help fill up the ventricles. The contraction of the ventricles. The main pumping part of your heart that pumps the blood to both your body and your lungs. And the repolarisation of both the atria and the ventricles. Basically the heart muscle reseting for another beat.
The atria contract first and repolarise first. On an ECG (heart trace) the atrial contraction corresponds to the P-wave. The little wave at the front. The atrial repolarisation occurs during ventricular contraction so you can see it on the ecg. When the ventricular contraction occurs you see the sharp up and down squiggles on the ECG. This is the QRS complex. Following ventricular contraction there is ventricular repolarisation. This occurs after the QRS complex and looks like a really big P-wave. This is the T-wave.
QTc prolongation is when the T wave takes a long time to occur after the QRS complex. When it gets too bad it is dangerous because the electrical energy that occurs in the T wave can set off another contraction of the heart. This contraction occurs outside of the normal pattern of the heart and the heart does not pump effectively leading to something called torsades de pointe which can develop into ventricular fibrillation leading to cardiac arrest (your heart not really pumping any blood).
Here is a labeled picture of an ECG ignore the u-wave its not really relevant and does not always occur.
Here is a picture of the heart showing the location of the atria and ventricular Heart
If y’all have had really bad side-effects look into pharmacogenomic testing, it can help rule out bad medicines before you try them
I had one done a while ago and it marked a ton of medicines that I had already tried, (and had bad effects from) and a bunch I hadn’t tried yet. Since then, I’ve had much fewer bad experiences
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the one I did had a specific brand name but I don’t remember what it was. (It was a while ago) I’m pretty sure this is what it was though
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you might have to remind your doctor about it when they’re prescribing medications, this still isn’t very well known afaik
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this isn’t sponsored/paid/other bullshit, this is an actual recommendation (though I felt like one of those ‘ask your doctor if !@#$ is right for you’ american commercials the entire time writing it)
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Had a doctor tell me I should never feel the antidepressant. Should be a background thing. Thought that was good advice.
Setraline leveled me the fuck out.
Where is a living wage? That shit really helped me.
Just micro dose with psilicybin.
It works.
No side effects.
Research supported.
Sorry mate.
Writing like this.
Doesn’t make you look.
More knowledgeable.
This is a very complex topic that affects people’s entire lives, please don’t continue to make the mistake of thinking this is as black and white as “just take shrooms”.
“the results we see are in a research setting and require quite a lot of preparation and structured support from trained clinicians and therapists, and people should not attempt to try it on their own.”
Tried a bunch of them, none really worked except for Venlafaxine. Had sexual dysfunktion which was an unacceptable side effect for me so I also quit them. This sucks.
I’m on Venlafaxine and the sexual dysfunction side effect does subside over time (months), at least that was my experience.
Had the same side effect with Citalopram, Sertraline and one or two others I tried, but I can’t remember. Basically that was the only effect I noticed until I tried Venlafaxine. All this happened in about 9 months because antidepressants usually need some time to properly get in/out the system. So maybe I’m just very sensitive in that regard.
Venlafaxine almost killed me which is fun :^)
Same here. Wasn’t funny at all.
Can confirm, bupropion causes insomnia.
I sometimes have to take nighttime benadryl to help me sleep.
Been on it consistently for over a decade now and have always been funky with sleep. I started back in undergrad when the pressure of life left me spiralling out of control, and have since always thought I was just a weird sleeper.
I have insomnia semi often, usually anxiety-induced, but I’ve never thought that it could be the bupropion directly.
Very curious, and good to know.
So I have never had depression but I am aware that Sertraline is probably the most common. Is there some higher rate of effectiveness it has over the less alternatives with less side effects? Is it just that it’s cheaper?
Research, and more anecdotal than I can count, including a number of my own, shows psilicybin (I use ground magic mushrooms) at slightly-less-than ‘feel high’ doses 4 days a week (aka micro or threshold dose) equals, or surpasses efficacy of any of that list.
No side effects.
Shit works, and you don’t have to “get high” and lose your moral compass, etc.
If you abuse psilicybin, it just stops working. You really can’t get addicted to it at all. Also there is NO ‘lethal dose’. You can’t die from it.
Fuck Rx!
