We need a democratic party that fights … just that … that will do something besides just expose their belly.
Democrats fight like hell all the time except when they’re in office.
How is approving trumps budget and candidates “fighting like hell”?
They should make their own party with blackjack and hookers. A third party that isn’t sleepwalking like the democrats could actually win in this shitshow
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That’s already happening without a new party. AOC has got some of the thickest skin in DC, she’d be fine.
A new party isn’t going to go anywhere without big established names leaving the Democrats and leading the new one though.
They’d need to start ASAP, though.
Lol we don’t need Republicans 2™️
You’ve already got it.
Not if it gets started further than a month out from the election and doesn’t mysteriously disappear immediately after
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Revenge of the Whigs
(This time everyone has to wear powdered wigs.)
May I also have syphilis?
Live in the US any longer and it’s going to become a greatest hits album of communicable diseases regardless.
You can have a little syphilis, as a treat.
Ye-eee-eeee-sssss!
Not sure how you envision this. It’s not a winning strategy to have a third party run for election. The best outcome by far is if AOC is the Democratic presidential candidate in 2028.
You think the DNC would let AOC anywhere near candidacy? They torpedoed Bernie. They seem quite content with their failing platform.
Dems are the establishment, both parties are full of old pieces of shit I think Bernie is the only decent one and he’s promoting stuff that we have in Europe and is basic for a rich western democracy.
Nothing is gonna change unless people start rioting and protesting in the streets like the fucking French do, go set a few precints on fire and the ruling noble class will notice you once you kick a few of their loyal uniformed dogs
We in Europe won’t have that stuff for long if people keep voting these fascists adjacent parties into power.
Fascism might not be the inevitable outcome of decades of ‘the west’s’ brand of neo-liberalism on top of the historical circumstances in which it was applied, but, all things considered, it is hard to imagine an alternative.
Damn, if only someone could have seen this all coming 200 years ago as industrialization started to take off
It’s easy if you try.
I’d love to be wrong, but while they talk a lot neither of these two are accomplishing much on that front either. And no, I don’t mean their voting history.
Messaging is important. While the Republicans are saying “There’s some temporary pain, but it’ll all sort itself out in the end. We just need to get through this transition, and the tarrifs and deportations will MAGA”, there needs to be a counter-argument.
They’re (thankfully) not preaching to the choir. They’re going to Republicans and independents and explaining in these rallies that there’s an oligarchy that has taken control, made them poorer, and it will get worse.
If they can convince enough people of the real causes, they have a broader base, and potentially even some new progressives.
They’re going to Republicans and independents and explaining in these rallies that there’s an oligarchy that has taken control, made them poorer, and it will get worse.
I doubt Republicans are attending these rallies; good chance most of the people attending are blue-leaning voters (which exist everywhere in the same way red-leaning voters exist in California).
If they can convince enough people of the real causes, they have a broader base, and potentially even some new progressives.
That’s true, but the problem is twofold here: First, without strong leadership willing to take to the streets all this messaging will never lead to action. Messaging is important, but it’s not everything. Second, America is going fascist at breakneck speed and doesn’t have the time for progressives slowly build up a base of support. This is a time of crisis, and both the Squad specifically and the American progressive movement in general are letting a good crisis go to waste (which incidentally is not how you solve a crisis). Everyone to the left of Ronald Reagan is acutely aware that something needs to be done, and many want someone to give them something to do. Bernie simply doesn’t give people anything to do—which even in the best of times this is a big problem with how he does things—but right now it’s downright suicidal.
Edit: Typo.
This is a time of crisis, and both the Squad specifically and the American progressive movement in general are letting a good crisis good to waste
What would you recommend they do? And how would they go about doing that within the strictures of a two-party system where one is fascist and the other is captured?
lol Republicans messaging is always that BS. Just like trying to get rid of Obamacare.
“it’ll sort itself out”.
Yes, with lots of death and money lost.
Too bad the rest of the Democrats can’t hear them with all that money stuffed in their ears.
They can’t. But that just means we demand they go.
So many comments about them starting a new political party and I don’t want to disagree but if democrats already have less votes than republicans now, wouldn’t that make it even harder to win an election?
They are both uncharismatic leaders. Bernie is old. Ocasio-Cortez doesn’t understand economics
Then separate yourselves from the dems and create your own party. We will follow.
Great to see from these two.
Their average age is just under 60. I’d vote for it, if I we’re still allowing that kind of thing
Dems are just a bunch of empty chairs.
Sucks, but it’s also an opportunity. Plenty of space for progressives to move in and take over.
just make a new one already
What’s wrong with the leftist third parties we already have?
The fact they exist and got us nowhere near a unified working class movement.
They’re all sectarian and pointless. The party that takes us there will be formed by the popular working class movement
I would love to see AOC and Bernie attempt to bring back the American labor party
This is the answer. Dems are compromised. A new party is needed.
Rather than try to start a new party, it’s easier and more efficient for the left and progressives to take control of the Democratic party and make it their own (can rename it later). Just like the right took over the Repub party.
The time is ripe for it – yes, a bit too ripe, maybe even too late, but unfortunately that’s how it works with humans–it takes things to get to extremely dire circumstances where all could be lost for the general population to be jolted out of complacency and finally take action.
BUT the other thing we need is someone with charisma and a certain personality type to emerge and lead, because most humans need to be led like sheep.
You don’t reform the democratic party, it reforms you. It’s like a corrupted windows install, you don’t use the reinstall windows option from within the corrupted windows, cause the corruption is carried over almost invisibility untill issues happen again. You make a fresh boot drive, and use that outside of the current instance to start fresh. The amount of people it would take to reform the democratic party would be more than enough to start our own parry, one without a history of corruption or full of old guard to sabotage it.
Who said reform it? Take it over! Or to use your analogy, they’ve built a powerful machine over many years with tons of resources and capabilities–THAT’s what we take away from them, we uninstall them and install a new OS / new leadership on. Starting a new party is like having the software but you’re starting from scratch building hardware to run it on.
Take it over? From the people who control the entirety of every process and have a finger on every level?
Your optimism is not matched by an understanding of how things actually work. The Democratic party is private; it’s essentially a club. Which means that the party dictates which funding goes to whom, and which candidates are allowed to campaign for specific posts. It’s the opposite of democracy.
When AOC started making waves, Pelosi, that fucking corrupt dinosaur, pulled her aside and read her the riot act- quintessentially reminding any further progressives that the OLD GUARD neoliberals are in charge, as they have been for the last 30 years. Which is why the Dems have been floundering and failing, by design, for 30+ years.
The only way forward for the party as it stands is to purge the entirety of elderly power-clutching corporate boot throaters. Otherwise they’ll strangle any rising progressive stars before they can walk, let alone run.
Not to mention those entities activley corrupt new members, widdling away at their progressive tendencies until they fall into place, and then perpetuate that whole cycle into a new generation. That is the carrying over of the corruption I was referring to. You gotta start fresh without that virus or it will perpetuate through the interior like mold spreading.
Agreed.
Fyi, it’s *whittling
