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          There’s no more info than that. Sorry for the tautology, but that’s all the fucking info that exists. Revelation is an acid trip transcribed a few thousand times. What isn’t hamfisted symbolism is just “this thing is this thing” with no further explanation.

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        Not just Christian, not all of us believe in an antichrist. Even among biblical literalists it’s not 100%. Rapture, too. I don’t believe in either

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            Revelation (no ‘s’) doesn’t really have the narrative that “Biblical literalists” think it does. The Beast isn’t said to be the Antichrist - the “Antichrist” isn’t mentioned in Revelation at all, only in John IIRC - a lot of this is coming from Scofield and Darby. People before the 1800s did not believe in the narrative of “there’s a rapture where Christians disappear, the Antichrist takes over for 7 years, all of these prophecies are fulfilled, and the Jesus comes back.”

            It’s basically all made up through connecting unrelated passages in Daniel and Ezekiel. Premillennial dispensationalism is new and not reading the Bible “literally” at all.

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                Could be an Antichrist, could be a natural desire, could be Emperor Nero, could be something else. Being a “Biblical literalist” isn’t really something that makes sense, because at some point you do have to accept that some things are metaphor. The line being drawn is arbitrary, even if “literalists” don’t like to admit it. Revelation is especially obtuse and symbolic - though it does make sense if you realize it’s probably about Nero and John of Patmos was tripping balls on some kind of psilocybin.

                Revelation almost didn’t even make it in the Bible - the Shepherd of Hermas was more popular. I don’t think Jerome liked it.

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      There was a web site dedicated to a proof that Trump has all the characteristics of the antichrist whereas Obama only has a few.

      I can’t seem to find it.

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    Hilarious. Bible is fiction though and feeding into their irrationality is not going to change any minds.

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    I remember the first time I heard someone use that phrase Mark of the Beast. It was by a conservative who commented online in the pre-9/11 internet, and it was in relation to a new article discussing the possibility of using RFID chips in humans for very specific reasons. Pets have been having RFID implants to help find them when they get lost.

    The guy insisted that these chips are the mark of the beast and he would rather die than get them.

    I don’t know if he is still around, but he if he is, he is probably someone who thinks Bill Gates is the devil for wanting to chip people but think Elon Musk is awesome for the same.

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      Lol back in the mid-90s, there were people at my evangelical church that believed credit cards were the mark of the beast. Credit cards.

      I’m pretty sure they all still had them though.

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    Non-Christian and non-Bible person here, but I think it’s probably best to be accurate about citing these things:

    Revelation 13:16-17 King James Version

    16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13%3A16-17&version=KJV which also lets you switch around between other versions of the passage.

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      but I think it’s probably best to be accurate about citing these things

      The book neither deserves the respect, nor do practitioners bother to get it right either, so nah

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        If someone is trying to use a particular text to justify their shitty behavior, the ability to point to that very text can be useful when criticizing their actions.

        If nothing else, either you or they will probably learn something from the interaction.

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    You won’t be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast. Think crypto chip.

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    Trump can’t be the anti-Christ because the anti-Christ would supposedly also preach about peace and love and all that good jazz, just like Jesus did. The difference is, it would be a trap. The dude lies all the time, but is pretty open about being a hateful fascist.

    Elon, and Neurolink, on the other hand…

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      Maybe Satan sent LaHaye and Jenkins down to trick us.

      Their antichrist, Nicky Carpathia, is well spoken and beloved by the world. At one point he gives a speech where he just lists off all of the member nations of the UN while looking each dignitary deeply in the eye, and this is so moving that this brings everyone to tears.

      The way he comes to power and prominence is denuclearization and solving the Israel/Palestine conflict (iirc, there’s magical ‘plant grow good’ stuff that he trades with all of those desert Muslim nations that would of course all collectively agree to resettle all Gazans in exchange for the ability to turn Cairo into cornfields)

      He’s also so fuckable. One of the characters gets knocked up by him just so that the authors can basically have the character (and audience) subjected to anti-abortion propaganda. All abortion is bad, even if it’s the antichrist’s baby!

      I don’t understand how the Neurolink shit isn’t screaming “Mark of the Beast” to everyone who read the series though. It’s going to be hilarious if all of the evangelicals do line up to get their microchips because Papa Trump told them too.