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    29 days ago

    This is PROOF that if Democrats want to Win another Election then they need to go FURTHER RIGHT and have Kamala Harris and Biden back!

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      All splitting the left would accomplish is assuring Republicans never lose again. It’s the inevitable result of a First Past the Post voting system.

      The more effective way of doing things is to primary all the corporate Dems and reform the Democratic Party from within. AOC did it in her district and there’s no reason it can’t work in others.

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        not with this level of education and apathy. you make a new party, for everyone who’s heard of it, there’s going to be a thousand who haven’t, and even if they see your name on the ballot and like you they’ll just vote dem because they’re gonna think that’s what they should do.

        remember that Google search for “did Biden drop out” peaked on election day, lots of people found out only when they saw the fucking ballot.

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      Unless you change how elections work and how politics are funded a new party in the US will always be dead on arrival.

      A Bernie - AOC party would face immense hurdles as they lack the infrastructure and the funds the Democratic party has in place. On top of that corporate and oligarchic interests would all make sure to put in enough funding to ensure they will fail.

      I love the energy but you have to be realistic. Their best bet would probably be to reform the Democratic Party from the inside.

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        Absolutely agreed. First thing we have to try is to make the party reform themselves. AOC and Bernie have the formula already - the DNC needs a massive push. Like a concerted pressure campaign.

        It’s not going to be easy but fighting a lawless MAGA with Dems who seem to be stuck in 2012 would be much more difficult. At least now we have some hope because at least these two are out there building the support.

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          Replacing institutions externally isn’t nearly as easy as rebuilding them internally. A new party in a country where a vast majority votes along traditional family lines is not going to gain any momentum in the time frame that the US needs to correct course. They’re a lot better rebuilding dems internally and keeping the existing external branding. It’s the internet so here’s my uneducated and uninformed opinion: a more progressive offshoot of the Democratic Party external to it only makes sense if the Dems win a few elections on the trot. Otherwise it’s just going to be the same as cutting one’s nose to spite their own face.

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        Right? The two parties we have are doing such a fantastic job representing the people already, why break from the status quo now?

        🙄

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        two parties do not constitute a political whole.

        having only two parties in a democracy is a sign of weakness and sickness in the political system.

        political parties representing people are not “fractures”.

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          What Bernie and AOC are begging of you is not to make the right move, but just to make a move. Get off your ass and run for office, any office, school board, city council, county board, local transit authority, state assembly member, Congress, fucking anything. You don’t have to choose the right party, worry about that later, the right choice is to just get out there and start running on your platform. Though they do strongly imply that it would be very, very helpful to primary the centrist, corporate Dems.

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          I never said they do. I just don’t think this is the time to overhaul the whole system when the first priority should be to steady the ship. You can’t fix things if you’re just struggling to stay afloat. Fixing things requires a certain level of stability.

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            Liberals have had over eight years to steady the ship, and they’ve spent that time alienating marginalized people and progressives and going farther and farther right with afaik no real resistance to trump. They’ve spent those eight years proving that we can’t trust them at all to stop fascism or repair its damage. We should probably be pushing progressive democrats to start a new party with other more left people (though I’d fully expect republicans and the remaining democrats to team up and destroy their campaign so idk)

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              Just in that one comment alone you’ve mentioned the liberals, the marginalised, the progressives, the fascists, the republicans, and the democrats. And that’s why I’m apprehensive that adding another noun in that list is going to make things better… the left needs to consolidate to a new centre for the left, not fracture into another direction that delays consolidation further.

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            So when is the time? The midterms? The presidential election?

            Reforming the democrats in four easy steps:

            1. Now’s not the time

            2. Not this year

            3. This is really a bad time, okay?

            4. Definitely not this year, are you crazy?

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            “I just don’t think this is the time to overhaul the whole system”

            how do you contend encouraging political stability overhauling the system?

            "the first priority should be to steady the ship.

            steadying the ship is literally what this protest is about, providing stability while the executive branch is trying to conquer and invalidate the judicial and legislative.branches.

            “You can’t fix things if you’re just struggling to stay afloat.”

            yes you can. That’s what SOS calls, bilge pumps, pontoons, tar, patches and welds are for, to fix problens on boats.

            you’re advocating to give up and sink when you can repair things.

            ridiculous.

            “Fixing things requires a certain level of stability.”

            the necessary level of stability is far below what you clearly misunderstand.

            We have that stability, what we need is political, legal and judicial actions liked the ones happening every day now fighting against the executive branch.

            The literal nationwide protests by tens of thousands of citizens, judges, politicians and lawyers constitute that saving grace.

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                this article is literally about Bernie Sanders and AOC, the exact opposite force of trump.

                you have the paragons you desire and insist you won’t support because of the color of their shirts.

                too many Americans are such laxy defeatists.

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    Personally i believe americans shouldn’t waste their time and resources supporting members of the red and blue party. To me it looks like these two only do PR for the blue party and for twitter.

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      To me it looks like you don’t have a clue about their platform, the policies they support and have sponsored/voted for, or the realities of trying to win elections as a completely independent 3rd party.

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          This is the way. Person does one thing that you don’t like, they should be excommunicated. Crush any opposition who doesn’t live up to the purity test. Doubly so if it’s a woman.

          You know who were also purists…

          It’s almost like no one in the West is going to be good enough to live up to your standards, hmm….

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    This is so disappointing. So much wasted energy, so Bernie & AOC can do as they always do and redirect activism to the party to die.

    I hope at least this helps people make connections, and realize how strong our numbers really are.

    We don’t need the party, and we don’t need to wait til elections to get this boot off of our neck. We can overwhelm with our numbers, and put a stop to this now.

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      then go do propaganda of the deed, step off of the indrect action folk. diversity of tactics runs both ways

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      I’m unsure if you realize how significant 34,000 people in one state capitol is.

      All major protests and organizing in the past century took a decade of this work. This is 3 months into Trump’s term.

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        I never said anything about this being insignificant. I just said go do it in DC. Shut the fucking city down with people

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    I must be missing something because … how does this matter if we can’t trust the election results?

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      Which? The recent or future? For the recent, it doesn’t matter. It has happened. For the future, it needs to be overwhelming. The opposing candidate to Trump need to win by a yuge margin, something where it is hard for the right wing captured media can lie about. Where people can FEEL it off. Pictures like this validates people’s perception of election results.

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    Watched it. The big takeaway for me came with this moment: the crowd starts chanting “Bernie! Bernie!” and Bernie stops them and says “NO! Not Bernie! I got bad news for you-- It’s you!”

    He’s trying to get progressive people to run for office, any office, every office, wherever they can. I think it’s probably the best possible play at the moment.

    E: credit to [email protected] for the correction on the quote

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        This is a great starting list from @[email protected] to questions I had about running for office, because it does seem overwhelming:

        Definitely good questions. I couldn’t find any “Beginners Guide to Running for Office”, so I sat up for a while chugging coffee and reading a whole bunch of local election board websites and other related sources, and this is what I came up with. This is by no means a comprehensive list or plan, but I tried to break down the main components of running for a local office in the most general terms possible, so it could be applied more broadly.

        Preparation

        Figure out which office you want to run for, where you think you can make the most difference with your skill-set in your community.
        Research the responsibilities of the office you’re seeking. Attend school board or city council (or whatever) meetings to see how they operate. Take lots of notes or record it if allowed.
        Identify key issues in your community, your potential opponents, and the demographics of your district.
        Clearly articulate why you’re running and what you hope to achieve. This will be the foundation of your campaign.
        Check your local election board for eligibility requirements like residency, age, filing deadlines, and paperwork.
            Here’s a portal to all state and local election offices - https://www.usa.gov/state-election-office
            Leon County, Florida Supervisor of Elections has a great breakdown that should give you a general idea of the necessary requirements, deadlines, and paperwork - https://www.leonvotes.gov/Candidates-Elected-Officials-and-Campaign-Finance/How-to-Run-for-Local-Office
        

        Campaign Team

        Campaign Manager: Appoint someone to oversee operations. Preferably someone with some political savvy and/or managerial experience.
        Treasurer: Appoint someone to manage finances and ensure compliance with campaign finance laws.
        Volunteers: Recruit a team of dedicated volunteers for canvassing, phone banking, and event support. The number of volunteers will vary, depending on the size of your campaign, but there’s no such thing as too many.
        Advisors: Network with local community leaders and activists who share your vision, and listen to them. They have their ears to the ground, and can offer critical advice on what your community needs.
        

        Campaign Strategy

        Set a budget and determine how much money you’ll need for materials, advertising, and events. Focus on grassroots fundraising. This seems to be the most difficult part with no clear answer, so look into the campaign financing of previous candidates running for the same office to get an idea of how much it’ll likely cost.
        Develop a clear, concise message that resonates with voters.
        Identify your base and tailor your outreach to their concerns.
        Map out key milestones like filing deadlines, debates, voter registration deadlines, and Election Day. Set realistic goals to accomplish by those dates.
        

        Build Your Brand

        Create a professional logo and a memorable slogan that reflects your values. Say what you want about Trump, but “Make America Great Again” and “MAGA” are a great slogan/logo combo. It’s simple, clear, and easy to remember.
        Build a simple website with your bio, platform, and contact info. Use social media to engage voters and share updates.
        Print flyers, yard signs, and business cards to distribute in the community.
        

        Community Engagement

        Knock on doors to introduce yourself and listen to voters concerns.
        Show up at community gatherings, fairs, and town halls to build visibility.
        Organize meet-and-greets, town halls, or fundraisers to connect with voters.
        Seek support from local leaders, organizations, and activists to boost your credibility and visibility.
        Volunteer at homeless shelters, food banks, and other places. Even just a day here and there can make all the difference. Engage with employees, customers, and residents about your campaign. Listen to their concerns, and offer viable solutions.
        

        Fundraising

        Focus on grassroots fundraising by asking friends, family, and community members for small contributions.
        Set up a donation portal on your website and promote it on social media.
        Keep detailed records of all donations and expenses to comply with campaign finance laws.
        

        Messaging

        Send press releases to local newspapers, radio stations, and TV stations to announce your candidacy and major events.
        Participate in candidate debates and forums to showcase your platform.
        Post regularly about your platform, events, and endorsements. Engage with people in the comments.
        Send postcards or letters to targeted voters highlighting your key issues.
        

        Get People to Vote

        Help eligible voters register before the deadline.
        Encourage supporters to vote early or by mail if available.
        Organize volunteers to remind voters to cast their ballots and offer rides to the polls if needed.
        

        Again, this is by no means a comprehensive, foolproof plan. I didn’t include many resources, because requirements, deadlines, and paperwork all vary by state and county. These just seemed to be the most common points I picked up from a number of sources, and should at least give you an idea of how and what to research further.

        Personally, I have no ambition to run for office because I’m already 50 and don’t want to add to the pool of geriatrics running this country. We need to hand the torch to young people. That said, I will help any way I can if someone younger wants to run. Speech writing, phone banking, logo design, or pretty much anything else, I will gladly offer my services for free.

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      Americans have been so brainwashed by Hollywood, Jesus and superhero stories that they think one hero is going rise up to save them all.

      No one is coming to save us. We only have each other.

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    If Bernie or AOC were billionaires, this would matter.

    It’s not going to matter anywhere but in local politics, but for the locals that manage to elect actual progressives, I envy you.