Saying that on average a EV battery will last you 400k miles for one lol.
There’s also the fact that it will need to be charged more and more frequently the older the car gets, as battery capacity reduces.
Then there’s the fact that one is a twin turbo performance car, the other is a family car.
Also the fact that electricity prices have been absolutely soaring the last few years, with no end in sight, while petrol prices have remained static for years.
I think that’s already been proven, at least in the case of Teslas, that the batteries DO actually last that long on average?
Batteries that lose range but still functioning generally are being swapped out but then sold as house batteries, still incredibly useful and bigger than most house batteries. So they are not a total loss and largely still functioning. Newer battery systems allow swap out of individual cells.
If you look in the comments, someone swapped out the BMW to a cheap ICE car and the Tesla was still cheaper, lol.
I don’t know where you are but electricity prices here have been going down as we add more renewables to the grid. Most EV owners have solar, and mostly charge for less or free from home - I’m one of them.
It has not been proven that Tesla and ev batteries last that long on average.
The more renewables that are added to the grid the higher electricity prices go.
Swapping a petrol guzzling twin turbo bmw for a fuel efficient small diesel car will swing the cost calculation significantly favour of the ICE car. EV cars cost significantly more than ICE cars in their segment.
Dude. I’ve provided the receipts with literally every post. You have provided nothing. Give it up already, you are ideologically hamstrung and unable to accept that you are wrong.
Given the EV market is barely a decade old, I think it’s a bit soon to make such ridiculous claims, that myself and others have given many, many sources of facts (not feelings, which is literally all you are providing).
It’s clear you are quite happy being influenced by scary propaganda c/o the oil industry - you’re still living in 2019 in Scummo’s “ruined weekend” land.
And having a peek at your other activity, I’d like to echo some others opinions - you really don’t belong here, maybe just leave, troll. You are tedious and just seem to want a fight with anyone who will take your bait. Boring.
I don’t even need to look at your profile to know that you’re like a Bowen loving “renewables” grifter.
What’s hilarious is like I said way back at the start of this - my next car will be an EV, likely a Tesla. I’ve been a fan of them and following closely since the roadster. You ignore that though because I don’t just blindly ignore all inconvenient truths about them.
Also I am a moderator here so just watch where you’re going with that last paragraph.
"Factors contributing to used EV sales trends cited by the report authors included:
The implementation of the FBT exemption in November 2022 that potentially prompted EV owners to acquire new vehicles, contributing to an increase in the availability of used EVs.
Uncertainty surrounding battery health of used EVs deterring some potential buyers.
Pricing of new EV models coming down, negatively impacting used EV prices.
The authors of the report did caution the EV pricing findings were volatile because of the small amount of vehicles involved."
I would say the biggest issue is likely that new EVs are coming rapidly down in price, with longer range, so a second hand EV is comparatively not as good value currently. Many people are waiting for slightly bigger batteries or different types of ev, and I’ve seen at least half a dozen BYD Sharks on the road, one I talked to the guy had literally bought it yesterday, and many of them are getting tax benefits to buy new.
You are making out it’s all about battery concern where there’s much more going on.
So, you’re a moderator in a politics community, and you troll in various places on Lemmy, and like to threaten if you are challenged. Interesting.
Can’t help wondering if the other mods here might want to look into whether that’s a good thing… or not.
Like to threaten? Lol good one. I told you that accusing me of trolling and saying I don’t belong here is starting to go too far. I didn’t threaten you, I didn’t give you a warning, I didn’t take any mod action. I didn’t take any action when you were name calling or throwing out other snide remarks, because that’s not a mod-worthy problem. I told you to reel it in.
Telling people they’re “trolls” and that they don’t belong in a community simply because you disagree with them is not on though, and I think any mod would agree on that. Nothing I have posted anywhere can even remotely considered “trolling”, unless of course you consider anything anyone you don’t like says to be “trolling”.
Look at you “threatening” to try and get me cancelled because I told you to calm it down a bit lol. You’re behaving like a child. Really you’re threatening me with what you just said lol.
I have the notification of your deleted comment so I can see what you said, so I’ll address it.
No, I didn’t delete anything. You can check the mod log.
There was no “threat inherent” in my post. As a moderator would you prefer I tell you when you’re veering off into breaking the rules, or not and then just ban you when you continued? I simply told you to watch where you’re going with the accusations of trolling - and more importantly the “you don’t belong here” comment. You don’t get to gatekeep here. You have no right telling anyone that they don’t belong here, or accusing them of being a troll. That’s bordering breaking the rules, which I pointed out.
It’s entirely appropriate mod behaviour, telling people they’re getting close to breaking the rules. Calling people trolls because you disagree with them, and telling them they don’t belong in a public community is not appropriate member behaviour, hence why I told you to watch what you’re doing.
Accusing me of deleting your comment is, again, borderline unacceptable and starting to push it.
I’m not going to ban you for any of this like you want me to, but if you break the rules flagrantly a moderator will take action, even if it’s not me.
Saying that on average a EV battery will last you 400k miles for one lol.
There’s also the fact that it will need to be charged more and more frequently the older the car gets, as battery capacity reduces.
Then there’s the fact that one is a twin turbo performance car, the other is a family car.
Also the fact that electricity prices have been absolutely soaring the last few years, with no end in sight, while petrol prices have remained static for years.
I think that’s already been proven, at least in the case of Teslas, that the batteries DO actually last that long on average?
Batteries that lose range but still functioning generally are being swapped out but then sold as house batteries, still incredibly useful and bigger than most house batteries. So they are not a total loss and largely still functioning. Newer battery systems allow swap out of individual cells.
If you look in the comments, someone swapped out the BMW to a cheap ICE car and the Tesla was still cheaper, lol.
I don’t know where you are but electricity prices here have been going down as we add more renewables to the grid. Most EV owners have solar, and mostly charge for less or free from home - I’m one of them.
It has not been proven that Tesla and ev batteries last that long on average.
The more renewables that are added to the grid the higher electricity prices go.
Swapping a petrol guzzling twin turbo bmw for a fuel efficient small diesel car will swing the cost calculation significantly favour of the ICE car. EV cars cost significantly more than ICE cars in their segment.
Dude. I’ve provided the receipts with literally every post. You have provided nothing. Give it up already, you are ideologically hamstrung and unable to accept that you are wrong.
You haven’t provided receipts, you’ve provided baseless pro-EV guesses and terribly inaccurate guesstimates.
You still can’t accept that buying a second hand EV, especially one out of warranty, is a massive risk.
The market agrees with me. Second hand EV sales, especially out of warranty ones, are immensely unpopular.
Given the EV market is barely a decade old, I think it’s a bit soon to make such ridiculous claims, that myself and others have given many, many sources of facts (not feelings, which is literally all you are providing).
It’s clear you are quite happy being influenced by scary propaganda c/o the oil industry - you’re still living in 2019 in Scummo’s “ruined weekend” land.
And having a peek at your other activity, I’d like to echo some others opinions - you really don’t belong here, maybe just leave, troll. You are tedious and just seem to want a fight with anyone who will take your bait. Boring.
You posting pro-ev site propaganda sources doesn’t help your cause lol
People don’t want second hand EVs precisely because of the battery warranty issue.
https://evcentral.com.au/shock-report-used-evs-are-losing-value-faster-in-australia-and-taking-longer-to-sell/
I don’t even need to look at your profile to know that you’re like a Bowen loving “renewables” grifter.
What’s hilarious is like I said way back at the start of this - my next car will be an EV, likely a Tesla. I’ve been a fan of them and following closely since the roadster. You ignore that though because I don’t just blindly ignore all inconvenient truths about them.
Also I am a moderator here so just watch where you’re going with that last paragraph.
From the article you linked:
"Factors contributing to used EV sales trends cited by the report authors included:
The authors of the report did caution the EV pricing findings were volatile because of the small amount of vehicles involved."
I would say the biggest issue is likely that new EVs are coming rapidly down in price, with longer range, so a second hand EV is comparatively not as good value currently. Many people are waiting for slightly bigger batteries or different types of ev, and I’ve seen at least half a dozen BYD Sharks on the road, one I talked to the guy had literally bought it yesterday, and many of them are getting tax benefits to buy new.
You are making out it’s all about battery concern where there’s much more going on.
So, you’re a moderator in a politics community, and you troll in various places on Lemmy, and like to threaten if you are challenged. Interesting.
Can’t help wondering if the other mods here might want to look into whether that’s a good thing… or not.
Like to threaten? Lol good one. I told you that accusing me of trolling and saying I don’t belong here is starting to go too far. I didn’t threaten you, I didn’t give you a warning, I didn’t take any mod action. I didn’t take any action when you were name calling or throwing out other snide remarks, because that’s not a mod-worthy problem. I told you to reel it in.
Telling people they’re “trolls” and that they don’t belong in a community simply because you disagree with them is not on though, and I think any mod would agree on that. Nothing I have posted anywhere can even remotely considered “trolling”, unless of course you consider anything anyone you don’t like says to be “trolling”.
Look at you “threatening” to try and get me cancelled because I told you to calm it down a bit lol. You’re behaving like a child. Really you’re threatening me with what you just said lol.
I have the notification of your deleted comment so I can see what you said, so I’ll address it.
No, I didn’t delete anything. You can check the mod log.
There was no “threat inherent” in my post. As a moderator would you prefer I tell you when you’re veering off into breaking the rules, or not and then just ban you when you continued? I simply told you to watch where you’re going with the accusations of trolling - and more importantly the “you don’t belong here” comment. You don’t get to gatekeep here. You have no right telling anyone that they don’t belong here, or accusing them of being a troll. That’s bordering breaking the rules, which I pointed out.
It’s entirely appropriate mod behaviour, telling people they’re getting close to breaking the rules. Calling people trolls because you disagree with them, and telling them they don’t belong in a public community is not appropriate member behaviour, hence why I told you to watch what you’re doing.
Accusing me of deleting your comment is, again, borderline unacceptable and starting to push it.
I’m not going to ban you for any of this like you want me to, but if you break the rules flagrantly a moderator will take action, even if it’s not me.