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    Not if you are a socialist or communist…you should really look up who founded, funds, and runs the Georgian Dream party.

    Really makes you wonder why the author of this particular piece of “journalism” decided to omit the role of the most powerful man in Georgian politics in the last 30 years.

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      Not if you are a socialist or communist…you should really look up who founded, funds, and runs the Georgian Dream party.

      Why wouldnt a socialist or communist at least tactifully support a man who was alive during the USSRs soviet era, who wants to normalize relationships with a country alligned with communist ones? (Russia > China)

      The EU is clearly not friendly to communists, half the countries there ban communists from running!

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        Why wouldnt a socialist or communist at least tactifully support a man who was alive during the USSRs soviet era

        He is one of the “seven bankers” employed by Yeltsin to destroy and sell the communist government… He literally has made billions destroying communism.

        The EU is clearly not friendly to communists, half the countries there ban communists from running!

        And who do you think was the person most responsible for Georgia joining the EU?

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          He is one of the “seven bankers” employed by Yeltsin to destroy and sell the communist government… He literally has made billions destroying communism.

          This is greviances from the 90s, im taking the actions as they are now. We can agree Putin, this billionare are likely opportunistic captialist butchers while still seeing this as a move that benefits communists.

          And who do you think was the person most responsible for Georgia joining the EU?

          Im taking the actions as they are now, even if for cynical reasons breaking up the EU further and moving towards a direction that communism is permitted, and of which the most powerfull member of that bloc is a communist country is progressive.

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            This is greviances from the 90s, im taking the actions as they are now. We can agree Putin, this billionare are likely opportunistic captialist butchers while still seeing this as a move that benefits communists.

            How? The communist/socialist parties in Georgia are part of the opposition groups opposed to the Georgian dream party.

            I don’t buy into the false dichotomy that anything that seemingly opposes western imperialism is automatically a win for communist. Nothing is as black and white as theory supposes it to be, and we have to be vigilant about empowering the kleptocracy that are so common among political bodies run by the rich.

            breaking up the EU further and moving towards a direction that communism is permitted

            Right, but what makes you think they are actually going to leave the EU? He’s just emulating countries like Hungary, turkey, and India, who are utilizing geopolitical schisms to consolidate authoritarian regimes while staying plugged into the western capital apparatus.

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              Right, but what makes you think they are actually going to leave the EU? He’s just emulating countries like Hungary, turkey, and India, who are utilizing geopolitical schisms to consolidate authoritarian regimes while staying plugged into the western capital apparatus.

              Im not sure, if they do would you eat your hat and support it?

              Do the communists in Hungary support removal from the EU also?

              I don’t buy into the false dichotomy that anything that seemingly opposes western imperialism is automatically a win for communist.

              Breaking up a bloc that was setup to counter communist infulence, is in fact good.

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      I’m not familiar at all with Georgian politics, but if what you say is true, I do kind of agree that the author should have included some discussion on the matter. That being said, I don’t see how this makes it not “great news”. Regardless of who holds power in Georgia, do you think that having better relations with Russia, its neighbor with which they share a border, will be a bad thing for Georgians?

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        The author is criticizing the rose revolution, Ivanishvili funded the rose revolution. Ivanishvili represents like half of Georgia’s GDP. This isn’t about Georgians befriending their neighbors, it’s about ivanishvili establishing a regime.

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          As others have said, the article is about Georgia’s decision to strengthen its relationship with Russia at the expense of its relationship with the west. The rose revolution is important to understand Georgia’s current position on this.

          Has IvanishviIi not already established a regime? In what way does improving relations with Russia allow him to further consolidate his power? While I certainly don’t support oligarchy, Georgia’s struggle against western imperialism is surely worth critical support.

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            Has IvanishviIi not already established a regime? In what way does improving relations with Russia allow him to further consolidate his power?

            I mean part of critical support is actually evaluating what you are supporting. If you had, you would know that ivanishvili has a long history of playing both sides to further his own wealth and power. However, he ultimately is a reactionary puppeteer who always lands on the side that lets him keep his grip on Georgian politics.

            This is just a play to further establish his regime with authoritarian means. He is hoping that if he can make the west fear that he will switch sides, they will let him get away with anything.