Example: I believe that IP is a direct contradiction of nature, sacrificing the advancement of humanity and the world for selfish gain, and therefore is sinful.

Edit: pls do not downvote the comments this is a constructive discussion

Edit2: IP= intellectal property

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  • kortex64@jlai.lu
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    Awful crimes necessitate forgiveness even more urgently than mere mistakes. To brag about deeming anything “unforgivable” is amoral and disrespectful of the nature of human soul. Anybody is eligible to redemption.

    • spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      2 months ago

      Anybody is eligible to redemption.

      Even people who engineer the mass murder of entire ethnic groups for their own political or monetary ends?

      You’re right in most respects, but mass murderers’ only forgiveness should be given at the end of a rope.

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        The problem with this argument is that it has virtually no ceiling. You start with mass murderers, proceed with torturers, sadists, animal abusers, child abusers, rapists, and from abjection to abjection you end up justifying to yourself not forgiving your neighbour for letting his dog poop in your yard.

        I think the greater the evil, the harder it is, most understandably, to forgive. But it remains a spiritual duty.

        Although, I don’t think forgiveness is a legal action. Breaking the law should always have legal repercussions. I take it more as a safeguard against hatred, a security net not to freefall towards resentment, hatred and ultimately a realm where no redemption is ever possible.

        “Never forgive, never forget” sounds cool but from a spiritual standpoint, it’s not much less dehumanizing than horrors such as mass murders.

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          2 months ago

          You start with mass murderers, proceed with torturers, sadists, animal abusers, child abusers, rapists, and from abjection to abjection you end up justifying to yourself not forgiving your neighbour for letting his dog poop in your yard.

          "But muh slippery slope!’

          “Never forgive, never forget” sounds cool but from a spiritual standpoint, it’s not much less dehumanizing than horrors such as mass murders

          but from a spiritual standpoint, it’s not much less dehumanizing than horrors such as mass murders

          not much less dehumanizing than horrors such as mass murders

          Sorry, I can’t respond to the reductio ad absurdum response of saying that mass murderers’ do not deserve forgiveness and that not forgiving them is any way close to the mass murder of people.

          I get the point you’re trying to make, but we fundamentally disagree on the concept of even the most basic morality, clearly, if you can find any moral similarities between the two situations.

      • Worx@lemmynsfw.com
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        2 months ago

        Actually yes (in my opinion).

        There’s two options. People have a choice in what they do and can change how they behave - in which case we, as a society, should help them to change and be their best selves. This process would take place somewhere where they could no longer harm anyone, a “locked rehabilitation centre” or whatever. Basically prison but without the hangups on what many prisons are like right now.

        Option two, people don’t have a choice in what they do and can’t change - in which case, how can we blame them? Keep them out of harm’s way and let them live the best life they can without being a danger to anyone.

        So, theoretically, anybody is eligible for redemption in my mind. Either because they can change and grow, or because they have literally no choice in their antisocial behaviour. In reality, the sort of people we’re talking about? I don’t know what they would have to do to prove to me that they have actually changed and want to atone for what they’ve done. Is it even possible to make up for the crimes of politicians and billionaires who will do anything to keep their money and power? Still, I don’t think that killing anyone is the correct answer in my ideal world