Tankie is when they correlate the industrial growth of USSR as success when every other nation transitioning into a bourgeoise republic had similar growth
Tankie is when they pick and choose traits of Stalin and refuse the facts of his authoritarianism
Tankie is when they ignore the lack of progress in communism in USSR after Lenin died
Tankie is when they make excuses for the failures of USSR by pining them all in the west
How are they baseless? I think of the tankies I’ve known over the years and these assertions fit them perfectly. They do exactly all of these things, its like they have a script. I spent a good amount of time around tankies in college and they would regularly get into dumb arguments with the communists and anarchists about literally each one of the things listed.
They’re not baseless. That person is a tankie who doesn’t understand that characteristics/traits are not a definition. They don’t understand that the word tankie can have multiple definitions/meanings while still being true. They don’t understand language very well.
They spend all day online lying and if you point that out, they’ll just gather their friends and be hostile towards you.
You added 31 comments since we talked. But you were supposed to be volunteering? What a surprise, the tankie lied. More theatrics and virtue signalling. And I’m aware you’re ahead of me in time and you’re sleeping, considering your spellings and how much you commented before my unfortunate interaction with you. You spent your entire day commenting.
Your behavior falls exactly in line with what we expect from tankies. Terminally online, lies, hypocrisies, insults, and a general lack of understanding of the real world. I can’t believe you said no one is pro-authoritarian, it really highlights how either young you are, or how inexperienced you are at talking to people in real life. There are SO MANY people who love authoritarians and express it explicitly. Really makes me laugh.
Also, stay out of anarchist communities. We aren’t tankies, we vehemently despise you, and you are not and never will be welcome.
industrial growth of USSR as success when every other nation transitioning into a bourgeoise republic had similar growth
The differences being that the USSR uplifted everyone equally and not just a capitalist few; and that it developed without abusing imperialism and unequal exchange against the global south (and actually contributed the most to emancipatory movements and was key in the decolonisation of the 20th century and as a reference for worker movements in the west to push for further rights).
Tankie is when they pick and choose traits of Stalin and refuse the facts of his authoritarianism
Tankie is when they reject the big-man understanding of history and instead analyze the material and historical conditions of a particular era.
Tankie is when they ignore the lack of progress in communism in USSR after Lenin died
Tankie is when they point to the doubling of life expectancy in the Soviet Union and the only case of industrialisation of a country in history together with China that happened since the 20th century, excluding subsidised US colonies such as South Korea or Japan.
Tankie is when they make excuses for the failures of USSR by pining them all in the west
Tankie is when you understand that an imperfect but emancipatory movement which surmounted extreme odds, is desirable over the continuation of imperialism
industrial growth of USSR as success when every other nation transitioning into a bourgeoise republic had similar growth
The differences being that the USSR uplifted everyone equally and not just a capitalist few; and that it developed without abusing imperialism and unequal exchange against the global south (and actually contributed the most to emancipatory movements and was key in the decolonisation of the 20th century and as a reference for worker movements in the west to push for further rights).
USSR rather than conducting imperialism instead used gulags as methods to develop the east, and it had used the development of previous white russian factories to continue industrialisation, this only sped up with factors present in Stalinist Russia which many others in the communist party opposed due to the damage it had caused
Tankie is when they pick and choose traits of Stalin and refuse the facts of his authoritarianism
Tankie is when they reject the big-man understanding of history and instead analyze the material and historical conditions of a particular era.
The nature of authoritarian rule essentially purged any opposing socialist whether in majority or minority, which makes him and the regime authoritarian. You just refused it without analysis, instead labelling it big man theory
Tankie is when they ignore the lack of progress in communism in USSR after Lenin died
Tankie is when they point to the doubling of life expectancy in the Soviet Union and the only case of industrialisation of a country in history together with China that happened since the 20th century, excluding subsidised US colonies such as South Korea or Japan.
This is not the only case, and would be the only case if you do not include ww1 and post-ww2, Yugoslavia, Turkey, Bulgaria, Egypt, Siam all had similar improvements, not just South Korea or Japan, and South Korea didn’t even have improvements until far later, seriously? You used these nations to argue?
Tankie is when they make excuses for the failures of USSR by pining them all in the west
Tankie is when you understand that an imperfect but emancipatory movement which surmounted extreme odds, is desirable over the continuation of imperialism
Tankie is when they say ‘good enough’ as essentially ruin their own revolution over the fear that the west will ruin them first, how is communism in one country working out for you?
Sorry, but that’s already been disproven. The gulag system at its peak had fewer people imprisoned than the US currently does. And at its peak, it represented less than 5% of the total production of the country. This lasted for a total of less than 5 years between late 30s and early 40s. The Soviet Union simply factually did NOT develop with forced labor, and saying otherwise is just proof of ignorance (or willful deception). For further details on this, feel free to check up the data on the book “Farm to Factory” by Robert C. Allen. Really not escaping the “swallowing the State Department propaganda” accusations.
The nature of authoritarian rule essentially purged any opposing socialist whether in majority or minority
“The CPSU purged every opposition. That’s why immediately after his death, the opposite faction which was within the party proceeded to do de-Stalinization instead of continuing with the prior tendency that was solidified in the party”. New documents released these past few years regarding the Moscow trials prove that there WAS a trotskyist/anarchist/SR/fascist/kulal plot to murder Stalin and to eliminate socialism, there’s extensive, sourced discussion in the ongoing series of podcast episodes “the Stalin eras” in the podcast “Proles Pod”.
Tankie is when they say ‘good enough’ as essentially ruin their own revolution
If you use US State Department as your source of information for the living conditions of the country, then yes.
If you use actual metrics such as union membership rates, life expectancy, literacy rates, rates of high education, women in the workplace, crime statistics, poverty rates, inequality rates, industrialisation rates, lack of imperialism and unequal exchange, consumption of art and literature, collective sport activities, access to housing, access to healthcare, retirement age, working conditions, and a myriad more; and actually compare with historically similar countries in the region (Kazakhstan + Uzbekistan vs Afghanistan + Pakistan; Cuba vs Haiti; China vs Indonesia; Russia vs Argentina in the sense that they had very similar levels of development pre-revolution), you may find out that actually-existing socialism is extremely beneficial both for its inhabitants and for the global south.
Tankie is when they correlate the industrial growth of USSR as success when every other nation transitioning into a bourgeoise republic had similar growth
Tankie is when they pick and choose traits of Stalin and refuse the facts of his authoritarianism
Tankie is when they ignore the lack of progress in communism in USSR after Lenin died
Tankie is when they make excuses for the failures of USSR by pining them all in the west
Sorry to hear you got scratched
What a clever, pithy response. Not like you could address the actual content of the comment because… Well you know.
There was no content to the comment, just a selection of meaningless assertions.
How, exactly, were any of them meaningless? They’re statements describing the views of actual people (and a lot of them are here).
Because they’re completely baseless assertions.
How are they baseless? I think of the tankies I’ve known over the years and these assertions fit them perfectly. They do exactly all of these things, its like they have a script. I spent a good amount of time around tankies in college and they would regularly get into dumb arguments with the communists and anarchists about literally each one of the things listed.
They’re not baseless. That person is a tankie who doesn’t understand that characteristics/traits are not a definition. They don’t understand that the word tankie can have multiple definitions/meanings while still being true. They don’t understand language very well.
They spend all day online lying and if you point that out, they’ll just gather their friends and be hostile towards you.
That nerve is still itching I see.
You added 31 comments since we talked. But you were supposed to be volunteering? What a surprise, the tankie lied. More theatrics and virtue signalling. And I’m aware you’re ahead of me in time and you’re sleeping, considering your spellings and how much you commented before my unfortunate interaction with you. You spent your entire day commenting.
Your behavior falls exactly in line with what we expect from tankies. Terminally online, lies, hypocrisies, insults, and a general lack of understanding of the real world. I can’t believe you said no one is pro-authoritarian, it really highlights how either young you are, or how inexperienced you are at talking to people in real life. There are SO MANY people who love authoritarians and express it explicitly. Really makes me laugh.
Also, stay out of anarchist communities. We aren’t tankies, we vehemently despise you, and you are not and never will be welcome.
Lol, I can see I really did hit a nerve.
No response, got it.
Neither lemmy.world nor [email protected] are anarchist communities.
Not talking about either of those. Mind ya business.
Tankies are the ones who send tanks, as the name say.
For exemple how many tanks do you think did the democrats send to israel?
Jeez these tankies really are scums aren’t they?
The differences being that the USSR uplifted everyone equally and not just a capitalist few; and that it developed without abusing imperialism and unequal exchange against the global south (and actually contributed the most to emancipatory movements and was key in the decolonisation of the 20th century and as a reference for worker movements in the west to push for further rights).
Tankie is when they reject the big-man understanding of history and instead analyze the material and historical conditions of a particular era.
Tankie is when they point to the doubling of life expectancy in the Soviet Union and the only case of industrialisation of a country in history together with China that happened since the 20th century, excluding subsidised US colonies such as South Korea or Japan.
Tankie is when you understand that an imperfect but emancipatory movement which surmounted extreme odds, is desirable over the continuation of imperialism
USSR rather than conducting imperialism instead used gulags as methods to develop the east, and it had used the development of previous white russian factories to continue industrialisation, this only sped up with factors present in Stalinist Russia which many others in the communist party opposed due to the damage it had caused
The nature of authoritarian rule essentially purged any opposing socialist whether in majority or minority, which makes him and the regime authoritarian. You just refused it without analysis, instead labelling it big man theory
This is not the only case, and would be the only case if you do not include ww1 and post-ww2, Yugoslavia, Turkey, Bulgaria, Egypt, Siam all had similar improvements, not just South Korea or Japan, and South Korea didn’t even have improvements until far later, seriously? You used these nations to argue?
Tankie is when they say ‘good enough’ as essentially ruin their own revolution over the fear that the west will ruin them first, how is communism in one country working out for you?
Sorry, but that’s already been disproven. The gulag system at its peak had fewer people imprisoned than the US currently does. And at its peak, it represented less than 5% of the total production of the country. This lasted for a total of less than 5 years between late 30s and early 40s. The Soviet Union simply factually did NOT develop with forced labor, and saying otherwise is just proof of ignorance (or willful deception). For further details on this, feel free to check up the data on the book “Farm to Factory” by Robert C. Allen. Really not escaping the “swallowing the State Department propaganda” accusations.
“The CPSU purged every opposition. That’s why immediately after his death, the opposite faction which was within the party proceeded to do de-Stalinization instead of continuing with the prior tendency that was solidified in the party”. New documents released these past few years regarding the Moscow trials prove that there WAS a trotskyist/anarchist/SR/fascist/kulal plot to murder Stalin and to eliminate socialism, there’s extensive, sourced discussion in the ongoing series of podcast episodes “the Stalin eras” in the podcast “Proles Pod”.
If you use US State Department as your source of information for the living conditions of the country, then yes.
If you use actual metrics such as union membership rates, life expectancy, literacy rates, rates of high education, women in the workplace, crime statistics, poverty rates, inequality rates, industrialisation rates, lack of imperialism and unequal exchange, consumption of art and literature, collective sport activities, access to housing, access to healthcare, retirement age, working conditions, and a myriad more; and actually compare with historically similar countries in the region (Kazakhstan + Uzbekistan vs Afghanistan + Pakistan; Cuba vs Haiti; China vs Indonesia; Russia vs Argentina in the sense that they had very similar levels of development pre-revolution), you may find out that actually-existing socialism is extremely beneficial both for its inhabitants and for the global south.
Thanks. It’s exhausting having to debunk all of the lies from the red scare over and over and over again.
Prison Labor camps in 2025 with the largest prison population on the planet: “normal”
Gulags over half a century ago that ended long before Jim Craw laws did: “Ah, that’s a scary sounding name!”