An 8-year-old girl in Texas died Thursday morning of “measles pulmonary failure,” according to The New York Times, citing records it obtained.
A Trump administration official told the paper the girl’s cause of death is “still being looked at.”
Narrator: It wasn’t still being looked at
No no, “still being looked at” is right. All looking, no action.
As far as I’ve heard, it’s not so bad, and it it’s bad, it was god’s plan anyway
At the risk of sounding callous, since a life lost is sad, it was their choice.
Article says that its been 2 deaths in 10 years in a country of over 320 to 340 million+. If those two deaths had happen in 2025 alone, the absolute risk of anyone dying, vaccinated or not is about 0.000000589%. Now divide that risk over 10 years and even compensating for a smaller US population, we are now talking astronomically small.
Like, if someone is worried over those odds then they would not be able to move or exist, rationally. Sometimes people have bad luck. I come from a 3rd world country and when I asked the parents, they said that measels was never seen as a serious disease by anyone in the aggregate. So to me this whole story comes off as a bit like fear mongering due to orange man bad.
To be fair. I wanted to look for any studies re: Vaccination risks, if out of sheer Scientific curiosity. And surprisingly, there seems to be a lot of reluctance in people wanting to do solid, well powered research on this topic, outside observational studies. But found one in the internet archive. Feel free to take a look, the scope was 2 years and obviously pre-Covid. Certainly wish there were more or better studies. These are not just for the MMR shot:
Death - Adverse Events Associated with Childhood Vaccines - NCBI Bookshelf](https://web.archive.org/web/20190310003733/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236284/)
“VAERS began operation in November 1990. By July 31, 1992, there were over 17,000 reports in VAERS, almost 11,000 of which concerned vaccines covered by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Of the total number of reports, just over 2,500 of them were considered to be “serious,” which is defined as the following: the patient died, suffered a life-threatening illness, or suffered a reaction that resulted in, or prolonged, hospitalization or that resulted in permanent disability.”
Here we go with this VAERS crap again. It’s not a reliable source. These are self-reported events. Someone could literally say their Aunt died from a vaccine because she had a heart attack the next day.
Sorry, but you clearly do not know what you are talking about. You are likely parroting whatever you heard the talking heads on TV said during Covid. You know you are. You likely have never looked as VAERS or know how it works, aside what you knee-jerk as a response.
VAERS was literally created by big pharma and the Feds as the first line of defence against harm signals. You saying it is not a reliable source is as nonsensical as saying that because planes are usually safe, that no one ever dies in them. The study was a quick review of the very first years of VAERS, by the government.
It is a Federal Crime to knowingly submit lies in VAERS, and despite what you heard on TV or new media not anyone can enter whatever they want in them. At some point you have to enter medical IDs, either yours or your health provider’s to validate the results. Your mom cannot go to VAERS and enter whatever they want. That is just a meme. Sure, wrong assessments may he entered but they do get studied and sorted. Too slowly, in my opinion but I digress, the BS you read during the pandemic was people taking pre-parsed data and claiming that to be sorted data when it is was not. But to say the system is not realible in the aggregate as a good frontline tool makes you sound as conspirational as the so called anit-vaxxers. If it was not realible post-parsing, it would not exist.
Second, you clearly did not bother to click on the link and the read the study, if you had, you would be eating your own words. The study was extracted from VAERS by government employees and data was parsed by a government formed comittee. It was not Joe and his buddies shooting the shit. You sound ridiculous.
It was the Institute of Medicine (US) Vaccine Safety Committee; Stratton KR, Howe CJ, Johnston RB Jr., et all. Plus, I specifically looked for pre-Covid studies so I can by-pass exactly the parroting that sprang from 2020-circa onward. Before 2018, 99.9999% of most had never heard of VAERS. Thus almost all entries were done by medical proffessionals that had at least some feasible merit and not just some casual heart attack after a shot.
Also, you may not know this but many shots do come with a fairly large amount of documentation regarding side effects, Doctors will normally will just not show it to patients, so if there is no reasons to expect for a heart attack for say a polio shot, then they would likely not even enter it. If you do not believe me, ask your doctor to open a package any shots come in in front of you. It is no crime to ask.They usually won’t and will think you are crazy if you ask, but it is part of informed consent, but that has gone to the wayside because they may sometimes think patients are too stupid to rationalise staristical risks and perhaps think vaccine uptake would suffer. So they do not, but they should.
Anyway, if heart attacks are not expected, they would not even think about it. So clearly again, your example of a heart attack reeks to Covid BS.
For all the, “follow the Science,” pro-vaxxie people spout, they have become so obsessed to own the anit-vaxxers and knee jerk responses --specially online-- that they have for years now parrot the same level of useless misinformation as the anit-vaxxers and will go after any reasonable discourse on the topic of medical interventions because AnTi-VaXxeR CoNsPiRACY!! 11.
Is there an actual, reasonable argument that you have? That is not assuming that I have no idea of what I am talking, or that I do not know want VAERS is, or of what it entails and its limitations? I am open to it, if you are.
Of we can go back to the politics of it.
This is not coming from me btw.
VAERS is not designed to assess cause and effect, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event (AE) or illness. Some reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Most reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to bias. Data from VAERS reports should be interpreted with these limitations in mind.
VAERS reporting can be done by anyone: Vaccine providers, other health care professionals, local public health agencies, vaccine recipients, patients, and/or family members of people who have received a vaccine are encouraged to submit a VAERS report when an adverse event occurs after vaccination.
Seems pretty clear to me. Not sure how you can sit there and say that this is a reliable data source. This may help detect certain issues and patterns, but it’s not a data source in which you can call a source of truth. Someone would need to further investigate each report to make a better determination.
You say it’s against the law to make false statements, but this doesn’t matter when there is no control and these statements can be made with complete bias. It’s not that people are lying, they believe what they are saying, but it doesn’t mean the information is actually true.
There are plenty of other studies around vaccines that show the risks like you mentioned, but they also show that the benefits far outweigh the downside. I don’t even know why politics has anything to do with this. We are talking about facts and science and I don’t understand how politics has anything to do with this.
I honestly don’t even understand what you are even arguing for. You just sound like an old guy yelling at the kids to get off his lawn.
Sorry, what do you mean their choice? I hope by them you mean the parents, because the poor girl had no chance.
For as far as the info available, I would say that yes, it was the parent’s choice. I get it. Some may disagree with me and that is fine. People are allowed to disagree with me.
Closer to where I live we have some Mennonites and they chose to not vaccinate either at all, or at least only the ones that are far more serious. I doubt they may say no to a rabies vaccine. That’s my guess, though.
It is their choice. Not going to march into their communities and call them all a bunch of idiots. They are all adults and parents. I have no right to tell them how to raise their kids, small risk or no risk.
You’re not wrong. The parents chose not to vaccinate, and vaccines almost certainly would have prevented this outcome. Where I’m struggling is the “serves them right” attitude when it wasn’t the parents who paid for their mistake- it was a small child with no say in the matter. It’s possible to feel anger towards the parents (though it doesn’t change anything at this point) and still have empathy for the actual victim.
“Ain’t my kid. 'Murica.”
