• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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      I think this is not a straightforward case as a matter of law, even though it is as a matter of justice. Generally, a court couldn’t reasonably order the US government to exfiltrate a person from a prison in a foreign country (even if he was there as a result of US government wrongdoing). This case is different because when the US government is paying the foreign country to keep that person in prison, the reasons why such an order would generally be unreasonable don’t apply.

      The question is, where do you draw the line between the general case and this specific case? What if, for example, El Salvador decides to do what presumably makes Trump happy rather than what he’s being ordered to ask for, and refuses to free this man despite an official request from the US? Can a court decide that the US needs to try harder? What if El Salvador stubbornly keeps refusing?

      We all know that this man would be back in the US if Trump wanted him back in the US, but how do you prove that?

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        The Supreme court has the authority to do whatever the fuck it wants actually. So yes, they absolutely can compell the executive branch to exfiltrate someone.

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      The reason is pretty simple, to see the reaction, and there isn’t a meaningful one. They will call it case closed, and it will be on to political opponents, dissenters, and anyone else they don’t like. They don’t need 45 billion to detain immigrants, they need that to detain you.

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      Oh, nonsense, there are many valid reasons! None of them are even the slightest bit ethical, I must confess, and most downright ghoulish, but valid they are.

      You’re a hopelessly corrupt judge, for example…

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      “Because our orange God-Emperor said so” not valid enough reason for ya? Too bad, it is for them, and I wish I was joking…

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    A Justice Department lawyer conceded in a court hearing that Abrego Garcia should not have been deported. Attorney General Pam Bondi later removed the lawyer, Erez Reuveni, from the case and placed him on leave.

    AG needs to go back to that El Salvadorian jail and be incarcerated there, for the remainder of her life. Fuck this fascist fucking administration.

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    In 1868, British Prime Minister William Gladstone famously said, “Justice delayed is justice denied.” The phrase has often been repeated here in the United States, most famously by the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., who echoed it in his 1963 “Letter from a Birmingham Jail”: “Justice too long delayed is justice denied.”

    It’s not like this badministration didn’t have ample notice that there was an injunction prohibiting his deportation - it was issued in 2019. The guy was never charged with any crimes, and no one has any evidence of him being tied to any gangs. Should he ever find himself outside of the prison, he should have a pretty clear cut civil case against the VP for slander and the administration for wrongful imprisonment without due process.

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    The majority on the court can’t even justify this idiotic ruling, it’s not even consistent with their prior ones.

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    This is a disgrace. From an npr article I read about this the “evidence” of him being a gang member completely boiled down to because “we say he is.” They claim their “proof” can’t be elaborated on at all because it’s sensitive national security information when this clown show administration has literally been discussing confidential military strategies in fuckin Signal.

    They shit out the flimsiest of pretenses and their brainwashed base eats it up like it’s goddamn caviar. Nope, it’s literal shit.

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      I heard the NPR interview. Where the government said multiple judges said he was a member. If multiple judges ruled that then where’s the ruling? I was waiting for the interviewer to ask that question but it never came out. I could hear the frustration in her voice but still it seemed one sided.

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    Remember folks, if you live in the Untied States, nothing is protecting you from being sent to supermax prison in El Salvador. Trump even said he’ll send citizens there

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        If they can paint her as a liberal, Republicans still won’t care.

        They already locked up a pretty, white, Canadian woman for almost two weeks. Crickets.

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      Interesting… That’s exactly Trump’s discourse from 2020 when he refused to admit defeat to Biden. Back then this attitude was parroted as “a threat to democracy”. Now, in 2025, it’s fair game saying his government is illegitimate?

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    This country was irrevocably destroyed and dead as of November… 1979.

    Honestly it’s kind of refreshing that meaningful numbers of people are finally acknowledging that this is just the vultures picking on the long dead corpse of the US instead of continuing to buy stupid shit, medicating, and otherwise playing pretend we were still a nation of laws and democratic representation.

    Can we finally, finally destroy the capital markets that turned us into an oligarch exploitation camp for half a century and make something new with an avarice punishing framework in its place now? Or do we need to wait for the new low the capitalists bring us to next week, and the one after that, and the one after that…

    But let me guess, this is fine too? 🔥🐶☕🔥

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      Honestly it’s kind of refreshing that meaningful numbers of people are finally acknowledging that this is just the vultures picking on the long dead corpse of the US instead of continuing to buy stupid shit, medicating, and otherwise playing pretend we were still a nation of laws and democratic representation.

      I don’t think so. I still see talk of the midterms and even 2028 general as if those matter in any way now. The sentiment I’m seeing is that the system simply had an error that can be fixed rather than a symptom of a much deeper problem. In particular, I see way too much trust in the Democrats and way too little leftwing politics.

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    Y’all don’t get it. The courts have a purpose as long as they’re seen as legitimate. If they issue an order and the state ignores it and the police don’t enforce it, they will appear as impotent and lose all legitimacy. They prefer to pretend and maintain what little power they have.

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    DOJ [probably] presented some bogus logistical reason they can’t comply in time, asked for an extension.

    Judiciary either has to call their bluff and potentially trigger a stand-off that could overturn Marbury v Madison, or just grant the extra day or two and keep waiting for the appropriate hill to die on.

    No good option, really, so I understand taking the more patient route. Buuuuut at some point, the patient route undoes the judiciary’s power too.

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      Nope, their argument has been that they can’t comply ever because once El Salvadoran prison guards have custody over the deported individual they don’t have any authority to tell those guards to give them back. They’re not asking for an extra day or two, they’re asking for us just to forget about this.

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        Oh damn, I thought this was the same story as earlier when the details weren’t known yet.

        Holy shit, that’s unbelievable. So they found the carceral equivalent of “it can’t be undone cuz it’s on the blockchain”.

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        How about ruling that deporting ANYONE to a foreign prison especially without due process is illegal?