I want to say “good”, but having been a kid with shitty parents, I genuinely think this is going to be doing more harm than good.
I remember back in elementary we had to pay lunch fees in order to eat at the school during lunch. It was apparently to help pay for the people who supervised us during lunch break, since the school didn’t provide food. Since my parents gave priority to my father’s alcohol and cigarettes as he sat on his ass playing computer games all day adding nothing to our tight budget, they would never pay for the fees.
It felt like a double punishment having parents who didn’t care enough to pay said fees, and a school that put that responsibility on you as the student to advocate for yourself to your own fucking parents or else they’d have you sit in the office’s old nursery alone doing nothing each day for 45 minutes as everyone else had recess.
I get that this is different from that cause it’s a health and safety issue, but this genuinely feels like it’s punishing the students who are already powerless and have awful parents, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this grows dissent with the education system as they grow up. Surely there’s better options that target the parents?
The two situations are different. In your situation, your presence or absence in the lunch room didn’t directly affect other children. Unvaccinated children can put every other child in the school at risk. Vaccines sometimes don’t take effect, and some children cannot be vaccinated due to other medical conditions. We need a very high percentage to receive vaccines to achieve herd immunity. If too many parents refuse to vaccinate then the only way to maintain herd immunity is to remove the unvaccinated from the herd. That’s what this does. It’s not about punishing the unvaccinated, it’s about protecting everyone else.
The numbers that cannot be vaccinated are tiny, and are one of the logistically issues that need to be handled, but are not very hard compared to the political problem.
Yeah, logistically giving vaccines to the remaining unvaccinated people isn’t hard (provided it’s safe for them to accept them) given how many people we vaccinate at scale already.
Politically, the antivax movement really should be more fringe that it is and it’s scary to manage (at least from my perspective).
They also don’t account for the fact that vaccination isn’t a magic block against getting COVID. Vaccination reduces the likelihood of infection and, if you do get infected, the severity. COVID can still break through that and have serious, life-altering consequences. Fuck putting my kids’ health in danger so awful parents can continue to abuse their kids with no consequence.
Edit: btw, I’m referring to the original comment in this thread. The person you’re replying to wants to vaccinate the kids against the parents’ will, which is a good thing if they can be.
I want to say “good”, but having been a kid with shitty parents, I genuinely think this is going to be doing more harm than good.
I remember back in elementary we had to pay lunch fees in order to eat at the school during lunch. It was apparently to help pay for the people who supervised us during lunch break, since the school didn’t provide food. Since my parents gave priority to my father’s alcohol and cigarettes as he sat on his ass playing computer games all day adding nothing to our tight budget, they would never pay for the fees.
It felt like a double punishment having parents who didn’t care enough to pay said fees, and a school that put that responsibility on you as the student to advocate for yourself to your own fucking parents or else they’d have you sit in the office’s old nursery alone doing nothing each day for 45 minutes as everyone else had recess.
I get that this is different from that cause it’s a health and safety issue, but this genuinely feels like it’s punishing the students who are already powerless and have awful parents, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this grows dissent with the education system as they grow up. Surely there’s better options that target the parents?
The two situations are different. In your situation, your presence or absence in the lunch room didn’t directly affect other children. Unvaccinated children can put every other child in the school at risk. Vaccines sometimes don’t take effect, and some children cannot be vaccinated due to other medical conditions. We need a very high percentage to receive vaccines to achieve herd immunity. If too many parents refuse to vaccinate then the only way to maintain herd immunity is to remove the unvaccinated from the herd. That’s what this does. It’s not about punishing the unvaccinated, it’s about protecting everyone else.
Just vaccinate all those kids. It isn’t hard to give a bunch of shots to kids. Well it is, but the hard part is legal not logistics.
Not everyone can be vaccinated. That’s the point in the rest of us who can, to be vaccinated.
The numbers that cannot be vaccinated are tiny, and are one of the logistically issues that need to be handled, but are not very hard compared to the political problem.
Yeah, logistically giving vaccines to the remaining unvaccinated people isn’t hard (provided it’s safe for them to accept them) given how many people we vaccinate at scale already.
Politically, the antivax movement really should be more fringe that it is and it’s scary to manage (at least from my perspective).
They also don’t account for the fact that vaccination isn’t a magic block against getting COVID. Vaccination reduces the likelihood of infection and, if you do get infected, the severity. COVID can still break through that and have serious, life-altering consequences. Fuck putting my kids’ health in danger so awful parents can continue to abuse their kids with no consequence.
Edit: btw, I’m referring to the original comment in this thread. The person you’re replying to wants to vaccinate the kids against the parents’ will, which is a good thing if they can be.
This policy is the way it used to be
Parents caved and got their children immunized
Sounds like depression- someone with depression
Edit:Don’t blame yourself or your family this is on society for ruining mental illness resources.
Wow when and where did you grow up? Paying to be allowed to have lunch break at school is insane
Edmonton, and I attended from I think 2005-2012.
Alberta…it makes sense now.