This isn’t about not being peaceful, this is about behaving like football hooligans and not about spraying some graffiti. The money spent on replacing the stuff they break is enough to build multiple schools and hospitals in Gaza. There are loads of other protests in the Netherlands and they aren’t all peaceful but they are not like this. This is not your regular student protest either, there have been multiple across the country and stuff broke there too but some of the people who went in here went to break things. Even Tesla dealerships aren’t taking this much damage. It’s not even looting for their personal benefit, it’s just breaking things to release their anger.
They are not breaking this of the rich, they are breaking things of a university which is funded with public taxpayers money in the Netherlands. The rich are much better at avoiding paying taxes than the rest of the people.
If their goal was to change the minds of people that matter they would go demolish things in government buildings (which doesn’t settle in Amsterdam) or the houses of politicians, maybe even fight the police or something.
The people who did the all the damage here are not the same people who organised the protests. This damage is done by people who are angry and act like hooligans who’s team just lost a match. They might be on the same side as the protesters, but they are not helping the people in Gaza either because they’re giving far-right politicians excuses to spill their racist bullshit about how they shouldn’t support Islamic people because they are violent by nature.
I don’t think you understand what people you are defending here.
Dude you’re fighting a lost battle. These commenters are clearly not aware that Amsterdam is not in the US, that we don’t have a fascist state (although fuck Wilders), and that destroying public property is not winning sympathy points in the Netherlands. I agree that the UvA must cut ties with Israel, but don’t be juvenile.
I’m not expecting to ‘win the fight’, but I’m not gonna stop answering because people think I’m payed by Israel or something. I upvote this guy’s posts on news about Gaza regularly but he treats me as an enemy from my first comment. Just wanted to provide context but it is clearly not appreciated.
First off, y’all gotta stop downvoting folks who are having a conversation in good faith.
In response to your comment: I used to think exactly like this, marching in the BLM protests in Seattle and watching looters with selfish motives. It was frustrating and felt like it was undercutting the message among moderates. The thing is, moderates were not going to care about the important issues regardless, so I’m not sure why we’d cater to them.
I think it’s a fair stance to take when the protests don’t have life and death stakes. But people are being murdered and if the fastest way to get the public to pay attention is to break stuff, well, people are more important than things, every time.
The money spent on replacing the stuff they break is enough to build multiple schools and hospitals in Gaza
But it was never going to be used for that. The goal is to make supporting genocide unprofitable. Sometimes that means breaking other people’s stuff. Usually the stuff of people profiting from genocide and thats ok. Are you really arguing that a police force SHOULD be used to protect property over people?
I can’t speak for the University of Amsterdam specifically but typically campus protests and occupations occur because the college is investing in weapons or tech manufacturing and research by companies who directly profit from the Israeli genocide through sales of those weapons or tech. By extension the university is also benefitting from those sales and therefore genocide through its investment.
In this case the damage is paid for with public money and their insurance which is paid for by the general public. I wouldn’t care about it if it would be payed by Israel supporters.
A year ago many universities had peaceful encampments. They asked their university nicely to stop participating in genocide. The universities ignored them. Universities sent riot police to beat up peaceful protesters
Now students are asking less nice. I am not even seeing much damage in the video.
For the staff and students at Israel’s Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, this is reality. Their university shares its campus with military “technological units, Israeli Air Force units, and the headquarters of the military’s Southern Command, responsible for dealing with threats from Gaza”.
Ben-Gurion University maintains close research and business connections with several Israeli military corporations through its Homeland Security Institute and its technology transfer company BGN Technologies, which “conducts research for companies wishing to take advantage of [Ben-Gurion University]’s expertise and facilities”. These companies include Israel Aerospace Industries, Elbit Systems, and Rafael Advanced Defense Systems. In 2019, Ben-Gurion University and Rafael signed a multi-year research collaboration after the company decided to open an R&D center at the university’s Advanced Technologies Park.
Funny how the IDF uses universities as military bases too is it not. Every accusation is a confession.
sorry who is acting like football hooligans? it ain’t people protesting genocide buddy I could give a single fuck about damages.
what about medical costs for police brutality or legal fees, let’s toss in cop salary to pay for this violence, how about you do the math on that and get back to me.
I’m not saying the police is not wrong here, it’s totally obvious the violence is not necessary. The people protesting genocide are not the (main) party doing the damage, they are making their point by singing/shouting/holding signs.
The police are the only wrong here. That decorum shit only works when Democrats pretend it matters. They’ll use any excuse to suppress people and by claiming the protestors are even doing any bad you’re fueling the state to hurt people even if you don’t think you are.
The police [will] use any excuse to suppress people
Maybe in your country, here the police is not considered an enemy of the people in general. Not speaking for all of them and definitely not the guys in the video.
by claiming the protestors are even doing any bad
You don’t understand, my point is that the guys doing the bad thing are not part of the group of protesters.
Even Tesla dealerships aren’t taking this much damage.
yes, the picture above is clearly more damage than a burned tesla dealership. Great point. Glad you’re here with these enlightened and balanced opinions deeply rooted in fact.
I see who you are in this other comment of yours from today:
That and a strange form of guilt for not sticking up for the Jews when they were genocided.
So my question to you: How much does Hasbara pay? Is it by the word or the post? And do you have any qualms about supporting genocide of human beings? women, children, journalists, doctors, AID workers. ever have any pangs of guilt about any of it?
Darn protesters not protesting peacefully against genocide. I really hate it when
Israel bombs hospitalspeople spray some graffiti on walls.This isn’t about not being peaceful, this is about behaving like football hooligans and not about spraying some graffiti. The money spent on replacing the stuff they break is enough to build multiple schools and hospitals in Gaza. There are loads of other protests in the Netherlands and they aren’t all peaceful but they are not like this. This is not your regular student protest either, there have been multiple across the country and stuff broke there too but some of the people who went in here went to break things. Even Tesla dealerships aren’t taking this much damage. It’s not even looting for their personal benefit, it’s just breaking things to release their anger.
It’s breaking things that gets the attention of the rich. They care about things more than people.
You claim the damages could have been used to fund hospitals and schools. But it won’t be used that way until protests have changed minds.
Break all their shit, over and over again.
They are not breaking this of the rich, they are breaking things of a university which is funded with public taxpayers money in the Netherlands. The rich are much better at avoiding paying taxes than the rest of the people.
If their goal was to change the minds of people that matter they would go demolish things in government buildings (which doesn’t settle in Amsterdam) or the houses of politicians, maybe even fight the police or something.
The people who did the all the damage here are not the same people who organised the protests. This damage is done by people who are angry and act like hooligans who’s team just lost a match. They might be on the same side as the protesters, but they are not helping the people in Gaza either because they’re giving far-right politicians excuses to spill their racist bullshit about how they shouldn’t support Islamic people because they are violent by nature.
I don’t think you understand what people you are defending here.
Dude you’re fighting a lost battle. These commenters are clearly not aware that Amsterdam is not in the US, that we don’t have a fascist state (although fuck Wilders), and that destroying public property is not winning sympathy points in the Netherlands. I agree that the UvA must cut ties with Israel, but don’t be juvenile.
I’m not expecting to ‘win the fight’, but I’m not gonna stop answering because people think I’m payed by Israel or something. I upvote this guy’s posts on news about Gaza regularly but he treats me as an enemy from my first comment. Just wanted to provide context but it is clearly not appreciated.
First off, y’all gotta stop downvoting folks who are having a conversation in good faith.
In response to your comment: I used to think exactly like this, marching in the BLM protests in Seattle and watching looters with selfish motives. It was frustrating and felt like it was undercutting the message among moderates. The thing is, moderates were not going to care about the important issues regardless, so I’m not sure why we’d cater to them.
I think it’s a fair stance to take when the protests don’t have life and death stakes. But people are being murdered and if the fastest way to get the public to pay attention is to break stuff, well, people are more important than things, every time.
But it was never going to be used for that. The goal is to make supporting genocide unprofitable. Sometimes that means breaking other people’s stuff. Usually the stuff of people profiting from genocide and thats ok. Are you really arguing that a police force SHOULD be used to protect property over people?
How is the university profiting?
I can’t speak for the University of Amsterdam specifically but typically campus protests and occupations occur because the college is investing in weapons or tech manufacturing and research by companies who directly profit from the Israeli genocide through sales of those weapons or tech. By extension the university is also benefitting from those sales and therefore genocide through its investment.
In this case the damage is paid for with public money and their insurance which is paid for by the general public. I wouldn’t care about it if it would be payed by Israel supporters.
I never said what these policemen do is right.
A year ago many universities had peaceful encampments. They asked their university nicely to stop participating in genocide. The universities ignored them. Universities sent riot police to beat up peaceful protesters
Now students are asking less nice. I am not even seeing much damage in the video.
What does the university even do? They don’t drop bombs on Gaza.
They develop the drones dropping bombs on Gaza.
Do you have a source for that?
AFAIK the IDF only uses Israeli made drones.
Funny how the IDF uses universities as military bases too is it not. Every accusation is a confession.
sorry who is acting like football hooligans? it ain’t people protesting genocide buddy I could give a single fuck about damages.
what about medical costs for police brutality or legal fees, let’s toss in cop salary to pay for this violence, how about you do the math on that and get back to me.
I’m not saying the police is not wrong here, it’s totally obvious the violence is not necessary. The people protesting genocide are not the (main) party doing the damage, they are making their point by singing/shouting/holding signs.
The police are the only wrong here. That decorum shit only works when Democrats pretend it matters. They’ll use any excuse to suppress people and by claiming the protestors are even doing any bad you’re fueling the state to hurt people even if you don’t think you are.
Amsterdam is not in the US.
Yes. It was a joke about my own country and when people police how protests should go
For the time being, anyway. Let’s hope nobody tells Trump about ASML.
Maybe in your country, here the police is not considered an enemy of the people in general. Not speaking for all of them and definitely not the guys in the video.
You don’t understand, my point is that the guys doing the bad thing are not part of the group of protesters.
Where is “here”?
Here is The Netherlands, the place this video is taken.
yes, the picture above is clearly more damage than a burned tesla dealership. Great point. Glad you’re here with these enlightened and balanced opinions deeply rooted in fact.
I see who you are in this other comment of yours from today:
So my question to you: How much does Hasbara pay? Is it by the word or the post? And do you have any qualms about supporting genocide of human beings? women, children, journalists, doctors, AID workers. ever have any pangs of guilt about any of it?
If you browse my comments to other posts you’d easily see I’m not on Israel’s side buddy