• Arkouda@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    You’re essentially asking for an electoral system to keep extremists at bay, when no such system exists because it is simply impossible for any system to do that. Trying to use an electoral system for such a purpose is operating at the wrong level if you want to keep extreme views in check.

    Not what I am asking for, it is what is being argued. “PR will prevent us from US politics” was the original argument. Feel free to look at other countries with PR and use them as examples. Far right is on the rise regardless of the political system being used and Germany is a perfect example since they have gone from Nazi to never again to back again in less than 100 years and PR did shit all about it.

    Germany has a unique history with far-left ideologies, how it got dismantled, and how the East and West reunified. If you look at the current state of old East Germany, you’ll see that the prosperity of the West did not flow into the East; their living conditions are bad, amenities lacklustre, there’s not enough jobs around and they don’t pay well, and the Western population can easily buy up their lands and properties just due to how much disparity there is in terms of wealth. And if you look at the electoral map and results of the last election, you’ll see that both far-left and far-right parties have a strong hold on old East Germany. This is the failure of the German government at truly unifying both sides of the old Germany. And if anything, I’d even argue that it’s a successful example of PR at work, as far as being a system goes.

    All countries have unique histories, and Germany isn’t special.

    PR is argued as the golden bullet to avoid “American style politics”. It isn’t. That is my point.

    Keeping or adopting any kind of Winner-Takes-All system will simply further divide us and keep voters feeling disenfranchised, believing that voting brings no effective change, all for no good reason.

    I am not arguing for winner take all systems. I am arguing against PR being this amazing thing that solves the problem. It doesn’t and I gave an example. Feel free to look at every other country that uses PR and examine the results of recent elections. The right is seeing a Global rise and PR as a voting system isn’t stopping it.

    An electoral system is not political. It’s the framework of which you exercise democracy.

    Trying to make frameworks, which are meant to surface all voices, suppress certain ones is, frankly, barking up the wrong tree.

    I don’t need all of this fluff, but since I responded to everything you said without you once answering the question I posed to someone else:

    How many more elections until they form Government do you think? (The AFD in Germany)

    • Subscript5676@lemmy.ca
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      3 days ago

      Your entire argument is an argument in bad faith and your pointless wailing and flailing is showing, as well as a clear lack of intelligence.

      I will not answer to you any further. You’ve been, disappointingly, a waste of time.