• agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    Incorrect. I can justify any number of results with such a monumental “if”. Any strategy based on such a large number of people suddenly changing their voting tendency in such a way is unworkable. As one party splinters, the other is heavily incentivized to stay together and easily win. It’s a game of chicken; the first party to break ranks is doomed. People understand this on an intuitive, tribalistic level. Fracturing the less monolithic party will only strengthen the more monolithic one. That is reality.

    Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.

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      Hard disagree, as again, the republican party exists. It was a third party.

      Practically no one votes strategically. The vast majority of voters vote the same as their parents and/or peers. The extreme minority of voters that care about issues vote for whatever party of the two that suits them best at the time.

      But bigger than all these groups are the eligible voters that think nothing will change because people like you tell them they only have two options, so they don’t vote.

      Because neither option is good. There is Nazi, and there is the group that appoints nazis. Both exist solely for their own power and wealth. Neither help people until the riots get too violent. So why vote. Why care?

      So either we introduce a third party or more, and maybe give some hope, or we let the uniparty continue to win and we all have to survive a balkanized US when it collapses.

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        Without organization sufficient to convince at least a third of the country that a specific party is viable, you cannot beat a strategic party with principles alone.

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          You quite literally don’t need that, you just need both large options to fail obviously, as they are. People will seek out alternatives and there will be enough that aren’t disillusioned with electoralism that go for that option.

          You cant organize on a large scale in the US, you get assassinated if you survive the character assassination.

          For example, I bet you still think stein is a Russian spy or spoiler candidate.

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            Third parties haven’t even gotten a house rep yet. We have partyless reps but no third party reps. Start there is it has to be federal. State game is shit too. If you can’t even do those, running for president is a joke and a waste of ballot space

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            People will seek out alternatives and there will be enough that aren’t disillusioned with electoralism that go for that option.

            A baseless claim unsupported by anything but your own wishful thinking. I’d love for that to happen, but I’m not fool enough to gamble on it.