A lot of republicans are going to vote “not Trump” because of the damage Trump is doing now. Those votes will be easier to earn than progressive votes.
When leftists don’t show up to vote, the government shifts right.
Why would a leftist vote for Harris or Biden? They are corporate Democrats who support MAGA and genocide. Leftists should vote for leftists, not Blue MAGA.
Because it is in their best interest to vote for them to prevent Trump from getting elected. Nobody votes for leftists. That’s why they never win elections.
Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024 by chasing Republicans who they thought would vote, “not Trump.” They won in 2020 by offering a progressive economic vision. There is no evidence to support the idea that Republican voters will be easier to earn.
“C’mon guys, just a little further to the right and we’ll start winning! Ignore the last four times we lost by doing this and remember the one time it worked in 1992!”
And only one candidate (Clinton) won by going to the right. Obama ran as a progressive (and governed as a centrist-technocrat) while Biden ran on a progressive platform (which he couldn’t get passed because of Manchin and Sinema).
Again, nonsense. He ran in 2008 in things like direct homeowner bailing outs, then passed things like HAMP, which tried (and failed) to inventivize lenders to refinance bad loans. Even in 2012, when he made less bold and specific promises, he made income inequality the center of his campaign. He always ran as progressive, not a centrist.
I will give him credit for trying fairly hard to get his agenda through, especially in the first 2 years. He kept trying to find ways to get student loans forgiven without Congress, even when the courts repeatedly blocked him, and he did try to get some parts of Build Back Better that got cut in 2021 into the Inflation Reduction Act. He certainly tried harder than Obama to deliver on his platform.
He then abandoned the populous economic platform in 2024 and tried to pretend that letting most of his agenda get blocked by his own party was a huge accomplishment. He also tried to get to Trump’s right on immigration, materially supported a genocide, and refused to step down despite clear cognitive issues, so all-in-all, 2024 was a bad campaign.
I once read a tweet that was something to the effect of, “The number of Democrats needed to pass meaningful legislation is always (N-1), where N=The Current Number of Democrats in Congress.” I think about that a lot.
He ran on a public healthcare option, bailing out homeowners, regulating banks, closing Gitmo, ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Saying he appealed to centrists is revisionist nonsense.
Progressives have an extremely high turnout rate, what a bunch of bullshit. You just like blaming us because then you don’t have to face the fact that the DNC leaders that you liars enable are fucking morons.
Every time you lose it’s magically the progressives’ fault. And you fall for it every single time. You can’t even turn out your own so-called “moderate” base, but you’ll never try to find out why. So much easier to play politics instead.
There’s a difference between disagreement and you trying to start a slapfight, which is what you tried.
I mean, that’s one way to say I was right about every last thing I said and that you have no rebuttal. You gonna tell the mods that you think are your pets to ban me because I was right?
I’m really trying to make sense of what you wrote, but you’re sort of doing my head in with your twisted logic.
Are you saying that because Harris didn’t pander to this idiot specifically that there is no reason he should vote for her? Because that’s really fucking stupid. You vote for Harris because she’s not fucking Donald Trump. Just like you vote for ANYBODY other than Adolf Hitler.
Is the problem just that you don’t think Trump is that bad, or something? Like… haven’t you read the news once in the last 8 years?
Is your problem that you think there are too many living Palestinians or something?
What? I get that you’re trying to paint me as pro-genocide because I voted for Harris (which is something that you did too, as you just pointed out, you genocide loving fuck), but that only makes sense if Harris would be worse than Trump in this area, and that’s a really hard fucking sell. So unless you’re just spewing nonsense because you like the way the letters look when you type them out, what the fuck are you actually trying to say?
What? I get that you’re trying to paint me as pro-genocide because I voted for Harris (which is something that you did too, as you just pointed out, you genocide loving fuck)
Huh. That’s weird. I thought we could vote for a candidate without agreeing with them about everything. I thought we were supposed to vote blue no matter who, too. I guess centrists will say any old shit just to get people to vote for their genocide.
I’m glad that you’re able to absolve yourself of the role you chose to play in electing a guy who’s building fucking concentration camps. See, me? I don’t think I’d be able to live with myself after that. But then I am not a complete fucking piece of shit.
You know what’s way better than rectifying a mess? Not making a mess in the first fucking place. Or are you going to try to convince me that Harris would also be building concentration camps and detaining American citizens, or planning out the condos America’s going to build in the Gaza Strip once Israel finishes leveling it?
Do you remember in the first Trump administration when he separated thousands of children from their parents, and then just kinda… lost them? One of the things that the Biden administration did was track down several hundred of those kids and families and reunite them. If Trump hadn’t have instigated that policy in the first place, those families would not have been separated and Biden wouldn’t have had to dedicate significantly more time to cleaning up the mess than Trump did in making it.
I get it. You hate the rightward drift that’s been encapsulating the Democratic party since Eisenhower. I agree with you. But you know what? They’re way fucking better than the alternative, and the alternative is what you decided you were ok with when you didn’t vote. So your bullshit justifications are falling on deaf ears here, because I don’t want to hear why you think it’s ok giving the reins to this fucking madman in the hopes that at some point in time, the lives he ruined will be made whole.
They’re way fucking better than the alternative, and the alternative is what you decided you were ok with when you didn’t vote.
The margin between them narrows every election cycle, and every election cycle we’re told by people who totally agree with us that the rightward shift is bad that we need to shut up and vote how we’re ordered because the other side is decreasingly worse than we are.
If Harris had said two weeks before the vote that she thought what was going on was a genocide, she’d be in office right now. That was her choice. Stop trying to blame everyone else for her stupid campaign choices. Its sexist to take away her agency and pretend she made no choices. If she is good enough to have been president, she’s good enough to own her mistakes.
Well, Gaza is doing so much better now, isn’t it? I blame everyone who had a choice between status quo and ICE sending people to concentration camps and didn’t show up to prevent what’s happening right now. Fuck off with that “sexist” bullshit and trying to shift blame away from everyone who who could have helped prevent this and chose not to.
“Kamala decided to do a rally in Wyoming alongside Liz Cheney so I decided that I would be ok with America electing a traitorous monster for a second time” is not exactly the flex you think it is, hombre.
Harris and Biden are fine with killing children as they scrounge for food. That’s not a ticket I’m going to cast a vote for. Sorry!
If Harris had made an explicit statement condemning Israel’s crimes and promising to get a ceasefire, I would have held my nose and voted. She didn’t, so I didn’t.
The anger people have for me is misplaced. You all should be outraged that the system forces people to choose between child killers and criminals for our leadership.
Doubling down on losing. The DNC WANTS Trump in power
The dnc would prefer a hereditary dictatorship led by the trump family to any progressive in any position for any length of time.
Not enough leftists voted for Harris.
A lot of republicans are going to vote “not Trump” because of the damage Trump is doing now. Those votes will be easier to earn than progressive votes.
When leftists don’t show up to vote, the government shifts right.
Why would a leftist vote for Harris or Biden? They are corporate Democrats who support MAGA and genocide. Leftists should vote for leftists, not Blue MAGA.
Because it is in their best interest to vote for them to prevent Trump from getting elected. Nobody votes for leftists. That’s why they never win elections.
Democrats lost in 2016 and 2024 by chasing Republicans who they thought would vote, “not Trump.” They won in 2020 by offering a progressive economic vision. There is no evidence to support the idea that Republican voters will be easier to earn.
Trust me guys, this time the Republicans will finally be done with Trump!
“C’mon guys, just a little further to the right and we’ll start winning! Ignore the last four times we lost by doing this and remember the one time it worked in 1992!”
Democrats won the majority of elections since the 90s.
And only one candidate (Clinton) won by going to the right. Obama ran as a progressive (and governed as a centrist-technocrat) while Biden ran on a progressive platform (which he couldn’t get passed because of Manchin and Sinema).
This is what got him elected and re-elected. Appealing to centrists
Again, nonsense. He ran in 2008 in things like direct homeowner bailing outs, then passed things like HAMP, which tried (and failed) to inventivize lenders to refinance bad loans. Even in 2012, when he made less bold and specific promises, he made income inequality the center of his campaign. He always ran as progressive, not a centrist.
Well, and because it was a pack of lies from the start.
I will give him credit for trying fairly hard to get his agenda through, especially in the first 2 years. He kept trying to find ways to get student loans forgiven without Congress, even when the courts repeatedly blocked him, and he did try to get some parts of Build Back Better that got cut in 2021 into the Inflation Reduction Act. He certainly tried harder than Obama to deliver on his platform.
He then abandoned the populous economic platform in 2024 and tried to pretend that letting most of his agenda get blocked by his own party was a huge accomplishment. He also tried to get to Trump’s right on immigration, materially supported a genocide, and refused to step down despite clear cognitive issues, so all-in-all, 2024 was a bad campaign.
and 10 other DINOS, machin and sinema were just the lightning rod for critcisim, for the ones that are afraid of getting primaried.
I once read a tweet that was something to the effect of, “The number of Democrats needed to pass meaningful legislation is always (N-1), where N=The Current Number of Democrats in Congress.” I think about that a lot.
Obama won because he appealed to centrists
centrists have a 27% approval rating for a reason.
Obama won by running to Clinton’s left.
He ran on a public healthcare option, bailing out homeowners, regulating banks, closing Gitmo, ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Saying he appealed to centrists is revisionist nonsense.
And the leftists never show up. You’d be an absolute fool to rely on them.
If they dont show up and you dont need their votes, why did Harris lose.
If the leftists can’t show up for their own friggin human rights, they either don’t exist or will literally never ever show up.
Progressives have an extremely high turnout rate, what a bunch of bullshit. You just like blaming us because then you don’t have to face the fact that the DNC leaders that you liars enable are fucking morons.
Every time you lose it’s magically the progressives’ fault. And you fall for it every single time. You can’t even turn out your own so-called “moderate” base, but you’ll never try to find out why. So much easier to play politics instead.
Every time the Dems even look left, they lose. Every single time. Then the next Dem goes to the center and wins. Every single time.
republicans didn’t show up to vote for you either. But you want to kiss their asses even harder. I’m starting to think you just like the taste.
Reported for trying to start a slapfight snd moving on.
You don’t have to announce what you do every time you disagree with someone.
There’s a difference between disagreement and you trying to start a slapfight, which is what you tried. Anyway ciao before you continue.
I mean, that’s one way to say I was right about every last thing I said and that you have no rebuttal. You gonna tell the mods that you think are your pets to ban me because I was right?
Well…yes…saying not Trump while raking in donations is much more profitable than having to go through the trouble of making policy.
They don’t give any fuuuucks.
I’m getting pilloried in another chat for not voting in 2024 but this is as much their fault as the Republicans’
Man that upvote downvote swing, never seen a person ratio themselves 😂
Well thanks for contributing to the problem. Really happy you decided that you couldn’t be fucked to vote against a dictator. Appreciate you.
If they weren’t significant enough to listen to, they’re not significant enough to blame.
If you want to blame them, first admit that you were wrong to ignore them in favor of netanyahu and cheney.
I’m really trying to make sense of what you wrote, but you’re sort of doing my head in with your twisted logic.
Are you saying that because Harris didn’t pander to this idiot specifically that there is no reason he should vote for her? Because that’s really fucking stupid. You vote for Harris because she’s not fucking Donald Trump. Just like you vote for ANYBODY other than Adolf Hitler.
Is the problem just that you don’t think Trump is that bad, or something? Like… haven’t you read the news once in the last 8 years?
One great best practice on Lemmy is to always ignore the fuck out of Ensign_Crab. All over the site and a true shit-for-brains.
I’m saying that there a lot of people she shouldn’t have actively worked to alienate.
And I did. I also understand that genocide support is a bridge too far for some people.
Is your problem that you think there are too many living Palestinians or something?
What? I get that you’re trying to paint me as pro-genocide because I voted for Harris (which is something that you did too, as you just pointed out, you genocide loving fuck), but that only makes sense if Harris would be worse than Trump in this area, and that’s a really hard fucking sell. So unless you’re just spewing nonsense because you like the way the letters look when you type them out, what the fuck are you actually trying to say?
Huh. That’s weird. I thought we could vote for a candidate without agreeing with them about everything. I thought we were supposed to vote blue no matter who, too. I guess centrists will say any old shit just to get people to vote for their genocide.
He drives the car they built for him 🤷🏻♀️
I’m glad that you’re able to absolve yourself of the role you chose to play in electing a guy who’s building fucking concentration camps. See, me? I don’t think I’d be able to live with myself after that. But then I am not a complete fucking piece of shit.
Wait for Democrats to regain control and please come to tell me which Trump actions they rectify, roll back, or hold anybody accountable for.
You know what’s way better than rectifying a mess? Not making a mess in the first fucking place. Or are you going to try to convince me that Harris would also be building concentration camps and detaining American citizens, or planning out the condos America’s going to build in the Gaza Strip once Israel finishes leveling it?
What do you think Biden and Obama were doing? Not also caging people?
Do you remember in the first Trump administration when he separated thousands of children from their parents, and then just kinda… lost them? One of the things that the Biden administration did was track down several hundred of those kids and families and reunite them. If Trump hadn’t have instigated that policy in the first place, those families would not have been separated and Biden wouldn’t have had to dedicate significantly more time to cleaning up the mess than Trump did in making it.
I get it. You hate the rightward drift that’s been encapsulating the Democratic party since Eisenhower. I agree with you. But you know what? They’re way fucking better than the alternative, and the alternative is what you decided you were ok with when you didn’t vote. So your bullshit justifications are falling on deaf ears here, because I don’t want to hear why you think it’s ok giving the reins to this fucking madman in the hopes that at some point in time, the lives he ruined will be made whole.
Your blind support for people who don’t represent their constituents is why no one voted for your team dumbass.
I love how you people keep blaming voters for not wanting to vote for your candidate instead of your candidate for being dogwater
The margin between them narrows every election cycle, and every election cycle we’re told by people who totally agree with us that the rightward shift is bad that we need to shut up and vote how we’re ordered because the other side is decreasingly worse than we are.
Did you expect that it would work forever?
No, this is your fault if you didn’t vote against Trump.
If Harris had said two weeks before the vote that she thought what was going on was a genocide, she’d be in office right now. That was her choice. Stop trying to blame everyone else for her stupid campaign choices. Its sexist to take away her agency and pretend she made no choices. If she is good enough to have been president, she’s good enough to own her mistakes.
Well, Gaza is doing so much better now, isn’t it? I blame everyone who had a choice between status quo and ICE sending people to concentration camps and didn’t show up to prevent what’s happening right now. Fuck off with that “sexist” bullshit and trying to shift blame away from everyone who who could have helped prevent this and chose not to.
Yes, definitely not the Democrats for running to the right and embracing the Cheneys…
“Kamala decided to do a rally in Wyoming alongside Liz Cheney so I decided that I would be ok with America electing a traitorous monster for a second time” is not exactly the flex you think it is, hombre.
I’m not OK with any of these people. Why are you OK with Harris?
you said you dint vote, so why are you complaining about either party.
There wasn’t anyone most people were ok with, but that doesn’t mean one of them wasn’t significantly more horrifying.
Harris and Biden are fine with killing children as they scrounge for food. That’s not a ticket I’m going to cast a vote for. Sorry!
If Harris had made an explicit statement condemning Israel’s crimes and promising to get a ceasefire, I would have held my nose and voted. She didn’t, so I didn’t.
The anger people have for me is misplaced. You all should be outraged that the system forces people to choose between child killers and criminals for our leadership.
Sorry I don’t want any part of that