man this is a good linux meme, its funny and its real criticism of linux. why were all the linux memes shitty for a while there? why are they better now suddenly?
luckily people seem to be becoming better with this.
linux is also becoming better at being user friendly.
Hey, I installed Arch btw with Hyprland and I gotta say, the Docs are super newbie-friendly. No problems on my end.
Simplification is kind of vague
Just let the user decide
Heres the thing, it strongly depends what you mean by “simplification” and tbh im not sure that would be good for Linux. Im all in favor of adding accessibility features and making desktops more complete but sometimes complexity or being different is good. I love tiling for example, I love how comsic implemets tiling. However tiling isnt naturally intuitive to Windows users, does that mean we need to abandon it in favor of “simplification”? Do we need to abandon the system of distro maintained repos and package managers because “its too complicated”?
I suppose my point is that we should make Linux more accessible by lowering the skill floor to use it but it should not and does not require lowering the skill ceiling for advanced users like me. I love the focus on TUI software and I love the terminal (that doesn’t mean GUI software should get less love, it means I would rather not see TUI packages sacrificed).
Furthermore I cannot speak for anyone but myself but I personally try to help people in matrix/discord chats and places like this. However sometimes I will come across someone whos use case doesn’t fit Linux. Maybe they need a specific software, maybe they’re using niche proprietary hardware that they need, but I personally refuse to suggest Linux to someone if it wont be good for them. If someone tells me “hey I use Linux but I need some software like adobe” I would suggest they reinstall Windows. In addition before I reccomend Linux to someone I tell them that Linux isnt Windows, I make it clear there are downsides that need to be taken with the upsides and sometimes things wont work exactly the same.
TLDR: Im all for people using Linux, however we shouldn’t lie to ourselves and others
What do you mean you don’t like reading documentation to use the basic functions of my OS?
Why would anyone ever want to use a UI or a mouse?
Lol, what? This is suggesting window is simple?
Linux is so much better in this regard.
People don’t see it because they have habits, but once you support both OS’s, windows is full of bizarre quirks and nonsense.
The problem is that the road between creating a piece of software that does something well, and then creating simplification layers on top of it is typically much longer than just “edit a config file” and “here’s a readme”.
You need extra documentation, config gating and workflow, warnings, UI/UX work etc.
I know there are Linux elitists but kind of expecting that much extra work for what is still at it’s core mostly volunteer software seems like it’s own form of elitism.
Absolutely agreed, I find it extremely telling that most people who say that have never personally contributed nor donated. Its ok to have expectations but its not ok to make demands from volunteers, thats why so many devs get burnt out and leave.
Arch wiki btw
My only beef with this lately has been valutwarden.
like look, I get it, http is shit, but I’m on a local network and it isn’t shared or even published to the greater internet in any way… can’t I NO, YOU WILL USE DNS CERTS PER ARTICLE 1.2 OF THE INSTALLATION GUIDE AND YOU WILL SET UP A REVERSE PROXY WITH CLOUDFLARE…
ughhhh
This meme just needs a few arrows and ten more text labels and then it’ll really get its point across.
No, seriously.
This mindset of, “If you don’t like to read pages of documentation to figure out how to do the thing you’re wanting to do, then maybe Linux isn’t for you?” Or the “god. How dare you ask such a STUPID question. You’re using Linux wrong and it probably isn’t for you. Go back to baby’s first OS!” Is the biggest gripe I have about using Linux.
So you ever tried support with windows? Go to some crappy community site with people who barely know what they are talking about and try some powershell and regedit crap.
Or go read conflicting Microsoft documentation that always seems to make man files look easy.
Its computers. You read stuff to deal with stuff, the OS is irrelevant.
Especially since the manpages are not written to always be comprehensible for end-users, but for developers and professionals. Some tools like tldr can help, however they rarely come preinstalled and aren’t getting the attention they deserve.
I’ve seen the exact same assholes in this community. They’ll argue on one hand that it’s not too complicated, then openly push back against any UI improvement because they don’t want more people moving into their niche. Gatekeeping turds.
If you don’t like a particular piece of software move on to something else. It is entirely up to the dev since it is ultimately there project. They owe nothing to you and demanding things does nothing but annoy everyone.
Example? Why are there always people who can find these unicorns and I never seem to run into them.
Or are you being extreme in calling gatekeeping because they feel they don’t need the GUI, because it just works? Someone argued with me about how a GUI is necessary for everything and frankly it is the slowest way to convey information and the least accurate.
But if YOU want a GUI, welcome to open source, and feel free to implement it.
Point is, I don’t think people are trying to gatekeep, or hold onto their niche, it just doesn’t make sense or scratch their own itch.
I’ve seen it in this very sub. But I’m not gonna hunt down the comments.
You have seen, in this sub, about Linux Memes in your words: “Gatekeeping Turds … who push back on UI improvements because they dont want people moving into their niche.”
Yeah. Right. This is exactly the place you have found a group of people who do not want you to make changes because they are defending… checks notes… the “niche” of open source software.
Yeah, I am thinking this might be a you problem. And I am trying to say this in a nice way: anyone can made that change. Asking someone else to do it may get push back, but that is any software development. Effort vs reward. But to claim the want to hold onto a niche… in open source? Uh… ok.
No worry dude. You don’t have to believe it. Now that you’re gonna be blocked, you won’t even have to see it.
Linux is so complicated!
Translation:
Linux actually isn’t Windows.
Fuck right off with that, whoever actually made this image. I am fed up with “simplification”, which is actually making everything as dumb and as closed as possible
What an out of touch take
Lol. I am writing this from a phone where I can’t even see entire file system. Fuck those who made this, fuck those who think it is a good thing
Why did you buy an iPhone
