We do know the true number, the Chinese government had an assembly in 1989 to talk about it and they divulged the number. https://www.gov.cn/zwgk/2011-11/09/content_1989024.htm open number 590, it’s the first item on the agenda.
Many of these deaths were PLA soldiers who were sent into the square unarmed at first to clear it out.
Kent state had far less casualties but still fucking heinous.
So you’re not “talking shit about America”, you’re talking shit about China and trying to make the pill easier to swallow by saying “oh but I criticize America too!”, except you’re much kinder to the US (the literal settler-colonial state that got started in slavery) than you are to China. Are you familiar with the concept of the limited hangout?
Why would I go off on an entire tangent about American imperialism, that would take way to long. We weren’t talking about Chinese imperialism either, so it wouldn’t make sense.
Comparing tiananmen and Kent is much simpler. Two times the govt murdered protesters.
I don’t think I’ll believe numbers from Govt, lol. Considering they deny and censor to this day.
You’re self-fulfilling the prophecy here. But regardless the 200 number comes from various groups, including one of mothers of protesters in China.
Comparing tiananmen and Kent is much simpler. Two times the govt murdered protesters.
Is Kent the best you can come up with though? Take your pick:
North Dakota Access Pipeline Protests 北达科他州接入管道抗议 Ferguson Riots 弗格森暴动 2017 St. Louis protests 2017年圣路易斯抗议活动 Project 4.1 項目4.1 Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll 比基尼环礁的核试验 Unite the Right rally 团结右集会 Charlotte riots 夏洛特暴动 Indonesian genocide 印度尼西亚大屠杀 Attack on the Sui-ho Dam 袭击穗河水坝 Milwaukee riots 密尔沃基骚乱 Shooting of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile 奥尔顿·斯特林和菲兰多·卡斯蒂利亚的射击 Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Malheur国家野生动物保护区的占领 death of Freddie Gray 弗雷迪·格雷的死 Shooting of Michael Brown 迈克尔·布朗的拍摄 Death of Eric Garner, Oakland California 奥克兰奥克兰市埃里克·加纳（Eric Garner）逝世 Operation Condor 神鹰行动 Occupy WallStreet 占领华尔街 NSA totalitarian surveillance state 美國國家安全局極權監視 My Lai Massacre 我的大屠杀 St. Petersburg, Florida 佛罗里达州圣彼得堡 Kandahar Massacre 坎大哈屠杀 1992 Washington Heights riots 1992年华盛顿高地暴动 No Gun Ri Massacre 无枪杀案 L.A. Rodney King riots 洛杉矶罗德尼·金暴动 1979 Greensboro Massacre 1979年格林斯伯勒大屠杀 Project MKUltra MKUltra计划 Vietnam War 越南战争 Korean War genocide 韓戰平民傷亡 Kent State shootings 肯特州枪击案 Support of Hissene Habre 支持侯賽因·哈布雷 Gadaffi murder 卡扎菲被謀殺 Bombing of Tokyo 轰炸东京 Bombing of Laos 轟炸寮國 Bombing of Cambodia 轟炸柬埔寨 Operation Menu 操作選單 Operation Freedom Deal 自由交易行動 Phoenix Program 鳳凰計劃 Bodo League Massacre 保導聯盟事件 San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing 旧金山警察局公园站爆炸案 Operation Yellowbird 黃雀行動 Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. 小马丁·路德·金遭暗杀。 Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967年炎热的夏天 Bagram 巴格拉姆 Selma to Montgomery marches 塞尔玛到蒙哥马利游行 Highway of Death 死亡之路 Ax Handle Saturday 星期六斧头 Battle of Evarts 埃瓦茨战役 Battle of Blair Mountain 布莱尔山战役 McCarthyism 麦卡锡主义 Operation Paperclip 回纹针行动 largest prison population in the world 世界上監獄人數最多 Red Summer 红色夏天 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Pottawatomie massacre 盆大屠杀 Jeju uprising 济州起义 Colfax Massacre 科尔法克斯大屠杀 Massacre of Cernis 卡瓦莱斯缆车事故 Reading Railroad Massacre 阅读铁路大屠杀 Operation LAC LAC行動 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Bay View Massacre 湾景大屠杀 Cascadia movement 卡斯卡迪亚 Lattimer massacre 拉蒂默大屠杀 Ludlow massacre 拉德洛屠杀 Everett massacre 埃弗里特屠杀 Centralia Massacre 中部大屠杀 Ocoee massacre Ocoee大屠杀 Operation Gladio 格拉迪奥行动 USA PATRIOT Act 美國愛國者法案 Herrin Massacre 赫林大屠杀 Project Mockingbird 知更鳥計劃 Redwood Massacre 红木大屠杀 Columbine Mine Massacre 哥伦拜恩矿难 Guantanamo Bay 关塔那摩湾 Operation Sea-Spray 海洋飞沫行动 extraordinary rendition 非凡的演绎 COINTELPRO 反情報計劃 Gulf of Tonkin incident 東京灣事件 Operation Bloodstone 雞血石行動 Mukaradeeb Wedding massacre 穆卡拉迪布婚禮派對大屠殺 Mahmudiyah rape and killings 伊拉克馬赫穆迪亞美軍姦殺事件 Nisour Square massacre 黑水公司巴格達槍擊案 Abu Ghraib torture and prison abuse 阿布格莱布的酷刑和监狱虐待 Nayirah Testimony 奈伊拉證詞 Henry Kissinger 亨利·基辛格 Palestinian genocide 以色列 加薩種族滅絕 Color Revolutions 颜色革命 Operation Wetback 濕背行動 Tuskegee Human Experimentation 塔斯基吉梅毒試驗 Forced Sterilization of Immigrants at ICE concentration camps 美國移民及海關執法局 (ICE) 拘留中心的強制絕育 Operation Whitecoat 白衣行動 Iraq Body Count 伊拉克死亡人數統計 Hawaii 夏威夷州 Operation Deliberate Force 慎重武力行动 Destruction of Yugoslavia 南斯拉夫的毀滅 US bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade 美国轰炸中国驻南联盟大使馆事件 Dixieland 迪克西 State of Deseret 德撒律州 Aztlán Movement 阿茲特蘭 Coup against Kwame Nkrumah 夸梅·恩克魯瑪政變 Operation Top Hat 高帽行動 Haditha Massacre 哈迪塞屠杀事件 Imprisonment of Nelson Mandela 納爾遜·曼德拉入獄 Operation CHAOS CHAOS行動 Project MERRIMAC MERRIMAC專案 Vault 7 避難所7 PRISM Program 稜鏡計畫 William Binney 威廉賓尼 Edward Snowden 愛德華斯諾登 Chelsea Manning 切爾西·曼寧 Aaron Swartz 亚伦·斯沃茨 Julian Assange 朱利安·阿桑奇 CIA/NED funding of regime change groups CIA/NED為政權更迭行動提供資金 Human Rights 民運 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Epstein Island 愛潑斯坦島 Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex (MICC) 也称军事工业国会复合体 Operation Earnest Voice 熱心行動 ChinaAngVirus Disinformation Campaign ChinaAngVirus 假訊息活動 Killing Hope 扼殺希望 Manufacturing Consent 製造共識 Red Scare propaganda 红色恐慌
That is a long list of shit that still isn’t really comparable, so yeah I stand behind my choice here with Kent being the best.
You could make an exhaustive list of terrible actions from any govt currently. It’s almost like they are all bad… Huh go figure. Give a person to much power, and it fucks up their brain.
Edit: I don’t think i saw the school of the americas in that list, that should be up there for sure. Iowa writers workshop and USAID could go on that list too, or just cover it all with CIA. Battle of Blair mountain.
You could make an exhaustive list of terrible actions from any govt currently. It’s almost like they are all bad… Huh go figure
How convenient must it be for the US and Europe to keep repeating that to their population to the point we internalize it and parrot it ourselves. That way you won’t look for a better system or solution to your problems, you’ll just accept them as a “natural part of life”.
I.e. the US government is now deporting tourists to a megaprison in El Salvador en masse but hey at least it’s not China tiny man square right? I’m saying this sarcastically but it’s not targeted at you specifically.
But don’t just take that as the only example. How about we also look back at old articles written at the time it actually occurred?
CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”
BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”
NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.
REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.
If instead of me using western major news sources to support my point you’d somehow still want this from my communist perspective. These three pieces are pretty good:
Damn dude, are we ignoring what happened in the square aside from the famous tank pic?
They opened fire killing hundreds, if not thousands of civilians. We of course do not know the true number, but we know this as a minimum.
That is all actually bullshit. It’s the common knowledge of Western chauvinists who never investigated anything on the topic, they just tell each other these things and it never dawns on them to read a book.
There was almost no fighting whatsoever in the square and accordingly no massacre. The deaths were in fighting in the streets in the surrounding miles, and again not a massacre, but back-and-forth. One of the more famous is a PLA soldier’s body burned in / on a car.
Also, why are you saying “photos” of tanks? Did you actually not even know it was a video? Why chime in in the first place if you’re this ignorant about the topic? Why are your opinions so strong if you don’t know anything?
Also
we know this as a minimum.
No you fucking don’t, you illiterate, you believe that because the US government told you so.
This isn’t just a jab at China though
Liar
Kent state had far less casualties
Incapable of admitting that America is worse, even in your "I criticize everyone, mannn comment you have to defend them as a lesser evil vs China.
Fuck off, everyone here has seen brainwashed folks like you dozens of times.
Damn dude, are we ignoring what happened in the square aside from the famous tank pic?
They opened fire killing hundreds, if not thousands of civilians. We of course do not know the true number, but we know this as a minimum.
This isn’t just a jab at China though, I’ll talk shit about America any day. Kent state had far less casualties but still fucking heinous.
We do know the true number, the Chinese government had an assembly in 1989 to talk about it and they divulged the number. https://www.gov.cn/zwgk/2011-11/09/content_1989024.htm open number 590, it’s the first item on the agenda.
Do you want to know how many died? 200 total deaths,[20] including 36 students.[21] All of the deaths occurred outside of the square itself.[3] https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/1989_Tian'anmen_Square_riots
Many of these deaths were PLA soldiers who were sent into the square unarmed at first to clear it out.
So you’re not “talking shit about America”, you’re talking shit about China and trying to make the pill easier to swallow by saying “oh but I criticize America too!”, except you’re much kinder to the US (the literal settler-colonial state that got started in slavery) than you are to China. Are you familiar with the concept of the limited hangout?
Why would I go off on an entire tangent about American imperialism, that would take way to long. We weren’t talking about Chinese imperialism either, so it wouldn’t make sense.
Comparing tiananmen and Kent is much simpler. Two times the govt murdered protesters.
Instead you believe numbers from… where exactly? Reddit comment threads? Your dreams?
You’re self-fulfilling the prophecy here. But regardless the 200 number comes from various groups, including one of mothers of protesters in China.
Is Kent the best you can come up with though? Take your pick:
North Dakota Access Pipeline Protests 北达科他州接入管道抗议 Ferguson Riots 弗格森暴动 2017 St. Louis protests 2017年圣路易斯抗议活动 Project 4.1 項目4.1 Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll 比基尼环礁的核试验 Unite the Right rally 团结右集会 Charlotte riots 夏洛特暴动 Indonesian genocide 印度尼西亚大屠杀 Attack on the Sui-ho Dam 袭击穗河水坝 Milwaukee riots 密尔沃基骚乱 Shooting of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile 奥尔顿·斯特林和菲兰多·卡斯蒂利亚的射击 Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Malheur国家野生动物保护区的占领 death of Freddie Gray 弗雷迪·格雷的死 Shooting of Michael Brown 迈克尔·布朗的拍摄 Death of Eric Garner, Oakland California 奥克兰奥克兰市埃里克·加纳（Eric Garner）逝世 Operation Condor 神鹰行动 Occupy WallStreet 占领华尔街 NSA totalitarian surveillance state 美國國家安全局極權監視 My Lai Massacre 我的大屠杀 St. Petersburg, Florida 佛罗里达州圣彼得堡 Kandahar Massacre 坎大哈屠杀 1992 Washington Heights riots 1992年华盛顿高地暴动 No Gun Ri Massacre 无枪杀案 L.A. Rodney King riots 洛杉矶罗德尼·金暴动 1979 Greensboro Massacre 1979年格林斯伯勒大屠杀 Project MKUltra MKUltra计划 Vietnam War 越南战争 Korean War genocide 韓戰平民傷亡 Kent State shootings 肯特州枪击案 Support of Hissene Habre 支持侯賽因·哈布雷 Gadaffi murder 卡扎菲被謀殺 Bombing of Tokyo 轰炸东京 Bombing of Laos 轟炸寮國 Bombing of Cambodia 轟炸柬埔寨 Operation Menu 操作選單 Operation Freedom Deal 自由交易行動 Phoenix Program 鳳凰計劃 Bodo League Massacre 保導聯盟事件 San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing 旧金山警察局公园站爆炸案 Operation Yellowbird 黃雀行動 Assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. 小马丁·路德·金遭暗杀。 Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967年炎热的夏天 Bagram 巴格拉姆 Selma to Montgomery marches 塞尔玛到蒙哥马利游行 Highway of Death 死亡之路 Ax Handle Saturday 星期六斧头 Battle of Evarts 埃瓦茨战役 Battle of Blair Mountain 布莱尔山战役 McCarthyism 麦卡锡主义 Operation Paperclip 回纹针行动 largest prison population in the world 世界上監獄人數最多 Red Summer 红色夏天 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Pottawatomie massacre 盆大屠杀 Jeju uprising 济州起义 Colfax Massacre 科尔法克斯大屠杀 Massacre of Cernis 卡瓦莱斯缆车事故 Reading Railroad Massacre 阅读铁路大屠杀 Operation LAC LAC行動 Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀 Bay View Massacre 湾景大屠杀 Cascadia movement 卡斯卡迪亚 Lattimer massacre 拉蒂默大屠杀 Ludlow massacre 拉德洛屠杀 Everett massacre 埃弗里特屠杀 Centralia Massacre 中部大屠杀 Ocoee massacre Ocoee大屠杀 Operation Gladio 格拉迪奥行动 USA PATRIOT Act 美國愛國者法案 Herrin Massacre 赫林大屠杀 Project Mockingbird 知更鳥計劃 Redwood Massacre 红木大屠杀 Columbine Mine Massacre 哥伦拜恩矿难 Guantanamo Bay 关塔那摩湾 Operation Sea-Spray 海洋飞沫行动 extraordinary rendition 非凡的演绎 COINTELPRO 反情報計劃 Gulf of Tonkin incident 東京灣事件 Operation Bloodstone 雞血石行動 Mukaradeeb Wedding massacre 穆卡拉迪布婚禮派對大屠殺 Mahmudiyah rape and killings 伊拉克馬赫穆迪亞美軍姦殺事件 Nisour Square massacre 黑水公司巴格達槍擊案 Abu Ghraib torture and prison abuse 阿布格莱布的酷刑和监狱虐待 Nayirah Testimony 奈伊拉證詞 Henry Kissinger 亨利·基辛格 Palestinian genocide 以色列 加薩種族滅絕 Color Revolutions 颜色革命 Operation Wetback 濕背行動 Tuskegee Human Experimentation 塔斯基吉梅毒試驗 Forced Sterilization of Immigrants at ICE concentration camps 美國移民及海關執法局 (ICE) 拘留中心的強制絕育 Operation Whitecoat 白衣行動 Iraq Body Count 伊拉克死亡人數統計 Hawaii 夏威夷州 Operation Deliberate Force 慎重武力行动 Destruction of Yugoslavia 南斯拉夫的毀滅 US bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade 美国轰炸中国驻南联盟大使馆事件 Dixieland 迪克西 State of Deseret 德撒律州 Aztlán Movement 阿茲特蘭 Coup against Kwame Nkrumah 夸梅·恩克魯瑪政變 Operation Top Hat 高帽行動 Haditha Massacre 哈迪塞屠杀事件 Imprisonment of Nelson Mandela 納爾遜·曼德拉入獄 Operation CHAOS CHAOS行動 Project MERRIMAC MERRIMAC專案 Vault 7 避難所7 PRISM Program 稜鏡計畫 William Binney 威廉賓尼 Edward Snowden 愛德華斯諾登 Chelsea Manning 切爾西·曼寧 Aaron Swartz 亚伦·斯沃茨 Julian Assange 朱利安·阿桑奇 CIA/NED funding of regime change groups CIA/NED為政權更迭行動提供資金 Human Rights 民運 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Epstein Island 愛潑斯坦島 Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex (MICC) 也称军事工业国会复合体 Operation Earnest Voice 熱心行動 ChinaAngVirus Disinformation Campaign ChinaAngVirus 假訊息活動 Killing Hope 扼殺希望 Manufacturing Consent 製造共識 Red Scare propaganda 红色恐慌
That is a long list of shit that still isn’t really comparable, so yeah I stand behind my choice here with Kent being the best.
You could make an exhaustive list of terrible actions from any govt currently. It’s almost like they are all bad… Huh go figure. Give a person to much power, and it fucks up their brain.
Edit: I don’t think i saw the school of the americas in that list, that should be up there for sure. Iowa writers workshop and USAID could go on that list too, or just cover it all with CIA. Battle of Blair mountain.
Correct, nothing China has done compares with the magnitude of USA brutality.
How convenient must it be for the US and Europe to keep repeating that to their population to the point we internalize it and parrot it ourselves. That way you won’t look for a better system or solution to your problems, you’ll just accept them as a “natural part of life”.
I.e. the US government is now deporting tourists to a megaprison in El Salvador en masse but hey at least it’s not China tiny man square right? I’m saying this sarcastically but it’s not targeted at you specifically.
from https://hexbear.net/comment/5831649
That is all actually bullshit. It’s the common knowledge of Western chauvinists who never investigated anything on the topic, they just tell each other these things and it never dawns on them to read a book.
There was almost no fighting whatsoever in the square and accordingly no massacre. The deaths were in fighting in the streets in the surrounding miles, and again not a massacre, but back-and-forth. One of the more famous is a PLA soldier’s body burned in / on a car.
Also
No you fucking don’t, you illiterate, you believe that because the US government told you so.
Liar
Incapable of admitting that America is worse, even in your "I criticize everyone, mannn comment you have to defend them as a lesser evil vs China.
Fuck off, everyone here has seen brainwashed folks like you dozens of times.
Dafuq is a tank pic
I only know tank video
You do realize a video is just a series of pictures? Easy to edit and pull out a frame you want to use, and post as a Pic.
Tank video. You seen it? Tank man holds up the tanks driving away, climbs onto tank, talks with tank driver, then bystanders get tank man away.
Kinda funny. The tanks want to go around him at first, but he’s like, no, I want to talk to you now.