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the people who follow his unlawful unconstitutional orders need to be held accountable for their actions when the next adminstration HAS to clean up this administrations messes.
This type of abuse is old as the hills. The rights enumerated in the constitution only apply to citizens. Look at how wiretapping is done among the “Five Eyes”. The USA just has allies do the snooping on its own citizens, conveniently dancing around the same constitutional protections. It’s unclear if even under the most charitable reading of the constitution if this should apply to an unlawful foreign resident of another country.
Cruel and unfair, definitely. Much like the electoral college, everyone likes to complain about it while not doing too much. If you find the above distasteful, then it should be made clear in US case law that aliens are eligible for constitutional protections. Until then, Trump and co. will gladly keep doing what they are doing, because they don’t care about “being fair”.
Bold assumption it won’t be citizens houses. Unachievable by a competent administrative.
I mean they already are. They’ve been doing this since March.
The only reason we know is because one of the many employees within ICE who have been leaking information to the press in the hopes we would pressure congress to do their jobs, also leaked this.
If you know anyone in the conservative camp that’s still blissfully unaware/not pissed yet, loop them in. Their voices are the most important when it comes to giving Congress one last try while they’re still collecting paychecks paid for by our tax dollars.
If it comes down to us fighting we will have to join together anyway if we stand any chance. The next civil war will not be left vs right, it will be Americans refusing to follow orders vs. corporate billionaires controlling both public and private military (Blackwater, Palantir, etc.).
it was supposed to be a secret?
Let’s face it, tRUMP is such a narcissistic fool that the only real shocking thing about all this is that he didn’t rage-tweet about it in the middle of the night whilst sitting on the toilet in-between faxing top secret documents to Russia and the Saudis.
Faxing top secret documents to Russia and the Saudis is what he was doing during Biden’s term. Now, he probably just gave daddy Putin his username and password
DOGE accounts keeps getting accessed from Russia, so…
Welcome to the New United States of America, where the Contitution is no longer valid where contradicting King Trump.
There was a traffic stop a month or so ago where the city police were called by BP for assistance and they actually assisted them in kidnapping people. The mayor is pissed and says that can’t happen due to our sanctuary city status (since 1986) and now the federal government is suing us. We have a HUGE population of immigrants from all over the world here as refugees and to attend our two universities and this is going to get ugly.
The head of C&BP is coming to my city this week because of all this. Something tells me ICE is going to be crawling all over this city the whole week and longer. BP already crawls all over the city because we’re on the northern border.
I live in a HUD building. I see ICE searches without warning in my near future because of how many immigrants are here. My cane might be useful for more than just balancing me while walking.
I’m honored to have you among us.
The time is now for sword cane.
Do not bring a knife to a gun fight.
Record. Obstruct. Defend.
It’s a modern world, we use umbrella guns now.
Leela: You’ll never pardon anybody because you’ll never get elected president. The voters of Earth aren’t the pea-brained idiots they were back in your time.
Nixon: Oh, no? Well, listen here, missy. Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1973 but your average voter is as drunk and stupid as ever. The only one who’s changed is me. I’ve become bitter and, let’s face it, crazy over the years. And once I’m swept into office, I’ll sell our children’s organs to zoos for meat and I’ll go into people’s houses at night and wreck up the place.
Yet nixons head still seems less insane then trump
I think about this quote daily as I read the news.
If they break in my house I’m gonna start blasting as if they were criminals (which they are). I don’t play these games with normal people and I’m sure as shit not gonna play them with the plain clothes Trump gestapo. If anyone has seen Daredevil born again with the Fisk anti vigilante taskforce thats what we’re getting but irl.
I’m a fairly pacifist type, but I have a .30-06 rifle and a 9mm pistol loaded and by my bedside now. I’d like to get a shotgun though…but there are new rules where I am so it’s going to take some time.
Though it’s made by Israel, IWI makes a self defense shotgun that is California legal and holds 15 rounds.
Holy crap.
I’m from the Midwest so owning a pump action is basically mandatory. If you get one get some buckshot and slugs. Birdshot might be cheaper but it’s far too weak to actually do anything in a home invasion situation. If its armed ice agents busting down your door illegally I’d recommend steel slugs to combat their plates but they’re almost impossible to get since 2018. You won’t break through their armor with a normal slug but it sure as shit won’t feel nice and that might be enough to deter them depending on their goal.
Birdshot is perfectly acceptable in a home defense situation given the short ranges. It does have a lower lethality but unobstructed head and chest shots will most likely be fatal and will incapacitate.
An advantage to bird shot is that two layers of drywall may slow it down enough to prevent lethal injuries to bystanders such as family members in other rooms.
A disadvantage is that it will likely be stopped by body armor where buckshot packs enough punch that it can cause severe injury even if it doesn’t penetrate.
I don’t have ready sources for this, just general informed opinion.
Now I don’t do guns personally, so forgive me if I’m wrong. But wouldn’t buckshot also be finding soft tissue not covered by armor?
Semi related, I need to take self defense courses back up 🫡
Depends on how close you are. Most shotguns have basically zero spread in close quarters unless you modify the barrel to an illegal degree. That’s why I recommend slugs. You’re not gonna get enough spread anyway so might as well hit em with something that’s gonna hurt a lot more.
So to answer your question, not really. The spread of shotguns is greatly exaggerated in media and in a close quarters situation will probably be not existent unless you are using really specific shit. The real threat especially with 12 gauge is that it is more than powerful enough to take limbs off, turn organs into soup, and if you get hit in the head ya ain’t living.
This is actually why sawed offs are so dangerous they do infact increase the spread and when used in close quarters yeah… ya have a good chance of survival but I hope ya like hospital food.
Also yes I know shotguns are rarely that devastating but I ain’t over exaggerating by much either, if it’s good for home defense, Iwo Jimma, and the trenches of Verdun I suspect it’s a rather effective weapon to say the least.
Also yes I know shotguns are rarely that devastating but I ain’t over exaggerating by much either
Yeah not by much at all.
Hitting a person with a single 12ga shell of 00 buckshot is kind of like completely mag dumping a 9mm handgun at them.
Thank you for the info!
No problem. Stay safe out there.
Let’s see how long it takes for an ICE goon to get the FAFO treatment.
If history is to judge, it takes about 10-15 years for fascism to die. There is usually a lot of bloodshed in the process.
So now thieves can just write ICE on a vest and they can rob you
Are you allowed to booby trap your house so you can sleep safely at night?
On the off-chance this isn’t a joke, no, booby traps are largely illegal because they are indiscriminate and a danger to everyone in the premises, including the person setting the traps.
Yeah imagine you have a medical emergency or a fire or something and EMTs/firefighters come in and get caught in your boobytrap. Very not cool thing to do, those people are trying to save your life.
edit: if your concern is actually people coming in while you sleep you can get very effective barricades/reinforcements for doors and windows that can buy a lot of prep time.
The gestapo are here
Only good ICE is WATER ICE - which is still subjective, and oddly all CAPS.
So if they break into my home, I can shoot ‘em, right?
So here is what I think. When you own a gun, you have to get a permit , right? (I believe so in all states). So you are on a registry. Trump knows who has guns and who doesn’t. Being the coward that he is, he will go after the most vulnerable people first.
This is his whole thing. Trafficking U.S citizens who are toddlers is first. Then hes going to expand like hes been doing.But back to gun ownership. He is gonna avoid homes with guns. At least at first. Just having a gun registered is going to deter him from sending in ICE or homeland. I think we already would have seen some gun violence with ICE at this point if he wasn’t intentionally having them avoiding gun owned homes.
I suggest, even if you are anti-gun or have no interest in owning a firearm. go ahead and get one now. Store it properly. Learn to use it properly and safely. But have it. Have a record you have it.
But I acknowledge this could bite you in the ass later. He may later give weapons to ICE and tell them when the house has a gun and tell them to go in shooting. Idk. Its hard to predict at this point. Still seems like getting a firearm is a good choice right now.
Rifles are more accurate than handguns. Slower to load but also do more damage. Less likely to be used for mass shootings or suicide. So rifles are probably the better choice. You could aim for a lower limb for injuring someone and be less likely to shoot them somewhere vital.
shotguns also not a terrible option. You can always do rocksalt shells. Not 100% non-lethal but typically less lethal than bullets. Shot guns best for closer range and they scatter. Precision aim not as necessary.
I am from the country where a lot of my family hunts (though I never did). I might be biased for rifles because to me they seem like the only gun that most people should even have.
There are also non lethal options tasers and gel pepper spray (gel kind only, dont use regular spray kind as its likely to go back to you).
As a non-violent person, i feel crazy for writing this stuff. but i also believe in being prepared. I mean, I carry pepper spray on myself when I am out walking at night by myself (I am a woman). Never thought in a million years I would be saying “get a gun to protect yourself from the government”. but my god, here we are.
Most states don’t require a permit, and most states didnt have laws about private sales for years so basically a bunch of guns can be traded that have no paperwork, the government doesn’t know who has guns anymore
The entire purpose of the USA’s second amendment is to protect the people from the government. There’s not supposed to be a standing army operating on local soil. Police, soldiers and ICE, ATF, DEA etc are the actual enemies at war with the population.
People keep saying this but it’s not really true. Right wingers say it when convenient (not now, gee wonder why they’re suddenly not making the argument). The second amendment was meant to allow citizens to form militias on behalf of the government, at a time that the country did not have a military.
You are absolutely wrong that gun permits are necessary in all states. In Florida, the state Constitution actually prohibits gun permits/ registration. In fact, DeSatan recently lowered the age of gun ownership to 18, and removed the requirement for a 4 hour class in order to get a carry permit. So an 18 year old can just buy a gun, stick it in their waistband, and walk out of the store, totally legally.
The result of these laws, or lack of them, is that we just had a college campus shooting by an 18 year old. He was able to legally walk around with a gun without breaking the law, until he set foot on campus, where it is still prohibited. OTOH, the state legislature tries every year to pass a law that permits guns on college campuses, and new congressman Randy Fine just sponsored a bill to do that in February. Considering we just had a lethal campus shooting at FSU, its doubtful it will pass this year either.
You’re certainly free to have your own opinions but most of your assumptions shouldn’t be trusted by anyone else reading this.
It is possible to purchase and own firearms without a permit - typically just limited in form-factor and features (i.e. shotgun, no handguns or semi-auto rifles). And even when a (purchase) permit is required, that doesn’t necessitate there being a registry and frequently one is explicitly disallowed. It’s also possible to buy/trade firearms with private citizens (or 3d print/mill your own if especially crafty) which wouldn’t provide a record to anybody but the included parties. When you aren’t legally required to disclose you have a firearm it’s always better not to make that known. Besides the potential worries about a fascist government coming for them, there’s the concern that a list of firearm owners going public is a prime target for theft and break-ins.
Rifles aren’t necessarily “slower to load,” are you speaking specifically of bolt-action rifles with this? It’s about the same amount of time and steps to load a magazine into an AR15 rifle as it is a semi-auto pistol. Unfortunately that also makes them effective in an unlawful mass shooting situation.
If you feel a firearm is the proper solution to the situation you NEVER aim to wound or fire warning shots. It’s (presumably) always a life or death situation so you’re hoping for the most effective “fight stopping wounds” which is basically center mass of whatever you can see. Same thing with rock salt in a shotgun, it’s going to legally be seen the same as if you were firing shot/slugs so you shouldn’t treat it like something you can use just to scare something off. In close range, shotguns will have practically no spread unless you’re using an extremely cut-down barrel (typically cut to an illegal degree) - you still need to (and should be) direct aiming it and not wildly firing from the hip.
Which states just let you buy a gun with no background check or registration?
How are people convicted of owning unregistered firearms if registration isn’t required?
Isn’t there always a waiting period and a background check?
Felons aren’t allowed to buy or own guns.
Which states just let you buy a gun with no background check or registration?
I’m not going to check current status of every state’s laws, but I did already address it’s possible to buy guns from places other than a licensed firearm dealer and required registration is less common than not. In private sales you’re at a minimum legally required to not intentionally sell to prohibited people but clearly that isn’t always obeyed - it’s possible some states require you to then register that transaction in some way but that’s not the default expectation/requirement everywhere.
How are people convicted of owning unregistered firearms if registration isn’t required?
People can be convicted if they are in a location or have prohibited items that DO require registration and they aren’t. Suppressors or short-barreled rifles/shotguns and full-auto firearms being common examples.
Isn’t there always a waiting period and a background check?
In my state, with a permit to purchase (good for 1 year, no qty limits) or a permit to carry (5 years, no qty limits) there is no waiting period. If buying from a licensed FFL there is still a NICS check with each purchase though.
Felons aren’t allowed to buy or own guns.
Correct. Felons also aren’t known for obeying the law so just being prohibited doesn’t ensure they can’t obtain a firearm.
Rifles aren’t necessarily “slower to load,” are you speaking specifically of bolt-action rifles with this? It’s about the same amount of time and steps to load a magazine into an AR15 rifle as it is a semi-auto pistol. Unfortunately that also makes them effective in an unlawful mass shooting situation.
yeah but the rifle holds only a few rounds. so the time it takes per bullet is significantly longer for a rifle.
I’m guessing this comment will get edited out too for being under the wrong account but I’ll share my reply anyway:
Unless you specify what you mean by “rifle” that designation does include things like an AR15 with a 50+ round drum magazine that will load and fire bullets as fast as you can pull the trigger. If you are talking about something like a breech loading single shot rifle or a Carcano that is certainly true, but specificity is actually important when talking about firearms and related laws and it’s not just pedantry for the sake of nitpicking. It’s why gun people get anal about when people interchangeably use “assault rifle” and “assault weapon”, or claiming a firearm is “fully semi-automatic” - it’s important to use precise language because there’s vast differences in the various terms and concepts. Yes, generally it’s possible to discern from context that someone using the word “clip” to refer to a magazine-fed weapon isn’t using it literally, but if you want to try to speak authoritatively on the subject you should know what the difference is.
If you’re worried about an attacker at your door, get a shotgun. Rifles are for when you can aim at a target at distance, pistols for when you can aim at close range. If you can’t confidently aim at your target, a shotgun is very effective, even with only a partial hit. (And, if you miss, the shot is unlikely to significantly harm an innocent bystander.)
Also, most states don’t require registration. My state is a little weird in that they are avoiding registering firearms, so they make you register transactions.
I would recommend the VR80 12-gauge shotgun. It is semi-automatic with magazines, which is pretty important if you are dealing with more than one trafficker. Plus, it is built on the AR-15 platform, which might be handy if warfare breaks out. If things get hot in that fashion, having mods could make it easier to engage at range.
Get a 12 gauge… The chachink of shotgun is a sound that sends chills up people’s spines
Should be noted that some states actively forbid gun registration.
That’s my plan. Just upgraded my front door gun to something with a higher fire rate.
Is it aimed at your front door, or is the actual door a gun somehow?
In America, we make most things out of Gun™ for convenience.
Yeah, and thanks to our advancements in Gun™, my new giant truck gets a much better “zero to 60 Minutes” time than the old one.
Ethically, yes. Legally, they’ll just kill you.
Legally? You can kill them as well.
You just have to claim that you thought it was self-defense against what appeared to be a black man jogging around your house.
I mean, if the alternative is getting shipped to a torture prison in El Salvador with no due process? Not saying it’s a good alternative, but it is an alternative.
One of these options gives a person -and possibly their families- a chance to get away. The other option sends them to Salvadorian prison.
I’m not American but I know which option I would take.
Good, I don’t want to live in a fascist hellscape anyway.
Think of it a getting out early to avoid the rush.
Hmm. Stand your ground against fascism.
Hey ICE, if the President tells you to do something illegal, you don’t do it! You can still be held liable.
Is it really that hard to have ethics anymore?
ICE doesn’t care. They’re obviously enjoying being able to do what theyve been doing the past few months.
There are federal agents that have been reshuffled to ICE as punishment for the Jan 6 investigations, and have been accused of leaking information to the press.
I originally just thought the termination of civil rights offices would mainly be to use polygraphs on these employees and refuse due process rights because so many were trying to warn people of what this administration is doing.
I wasn’t expecting something like this memo so soon.
There are definitely plenty of loyalists carrying this shit out, but I believe the administration may be intentionally trying to reshuffle as many federal employees as possible (and now city police to ICE) to increase civil unrest and increase the chances the public will turn on the same people leaking information.
If Congress won’t do their job, it will come down to these people willing to refuse orders and face termination if not arrest. The only reason I bring this up, is that if this happens we should keep in mind that there have been people inside ICE trying to warn the country about this stuff for a long time.
If we are too quick to dismiss all of them as loyalists, the administration will be able to downplay any dissent when orders are refused, and possibly convince others who are on the fence that it’s in their best interest to comply bc the public is not on their side.
The things is based on their legal interpretation of the constitution, the people chose the president to uphold law and order and do what’s best for the people. If the president determines this is what is necessary in order to protect the people from terrorists, his legal team will argue for a constitutional interpretation that says individual liberty is always secondary to the common good.
the supreme court gets to decide this. And considering some of the recent rulings about due process, I am hopeful.
But how are they going to enforce it? They’ve enforced 0 rulings so far. Trump has been publicly mocking them while defying their orders
I am hopeful if it does, but the memo is saying they can just do this. So it will take this actually being enforced and someone’s (or multiple people’s) rights being violated for this to end up before the supreme court.
I think it’s no coincidence there was such a high profile arrest of that judge in Wisconsin just before this happened.
Right, and history shows that these are major mistakes that always have consequences.
I hope so. If the Senate and representatives won’t take a stand (which seems they won’t), it will be up to police, federal agents, and military leaders taking a stand and refusing orders, probably being terminated if not jailed/court martialed, and public support for them.
