Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich reiterates call for ‘hundreds of thousands’ of Palestinians to be forcibly displaced from Gaza

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    4 days ago

    Way to ignore both articles that show just how much more support Harris would have gotten by standing by an arms embargo, which is both the popular and morally correct position to have.

    Yeah, people in America are selfish. That doesn’t change the reality that they recognize those progressive policies are to their own benefit. If you ignore the material conditions of America and have no material analysis of the situation, it’s not possible to recognize the root cause of voter apathy and populism, let alone the differences between left populism and right populism

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      3 days ago

      People saying that support when you present them with a moral issue isn’t the same thing as them actually turning up to vote. People have all sorts of opinions about what they ought to do and if you ask them if they intend to exercise, floss their teeth, and support the little chidrens in Africa. This doesn’t mean they will be doing ANYTHING of note given a chance.

      Track actual attendance at gym, check their teeth, and ask for receipts for their donations to feed the starving kids. You’ll find that most of them fell short.

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        3 days ago

        I don’t care about your opinions. You have nothing to refute the actual articles, you just want to be right regardless of the significant amount of evidence that show you’re wrong about public support for a weapons embargo to stop a fucking genocide

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          22 hours ago

          I don’t think you can show via a survey after the fact that someone would have voted differently. I believe the entire idea is nonsense.

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            22 hours ago

            The 34 polls are throughout the campaign, it’s very clear you didn’t even bother opening the link, let alone look at the data.

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              20 hours ago

              This proves more people say they would support someone who says they will do something that aligns with what people say they support. It doesn’t mean the person actually shows up. Someone put on the spot may give you the answer you want and still not show up. I don’t think categorically you can prove the kind of thing you want to prove. If polls were remotely accurate we would be talking about president Hillary Clinton

              Categorically Americans don’t give a fuck about what is happening to people in other countries. The same group most likely to say they do young people are the one that is least likely to even show up to spend 15 minutes voting. You can keep pretending that this shows what you think it shows but I will continue thinking that it shows people tell you the right answer when you put them on the spot.

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                20 hours ago

                The polls are accurate. I have no interest in your personal belief, that doesn’t change the reality of the evidence.

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                  18 hours ago

                  When in the last 9 years or so have the polls been accurate enough to make this statement? The stated margin for error is usually big enough to go either way and the actual accuracy has been less than one would suppose from the margin of error.

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                    18 hours ago

                    You can find the margin of error in all the polls linked, you can even find the methodology of each polling organization on their respective sites. Not only are the margin of errors small, the reality of the significance of the polls are reinforced by the sheer amount, done by multiple organizations, all in the same ballpark. You have no basis for discrediting these polls, which is evident by your lack of engagement with the source material.