Its basically impossible to avoid too. Anything you buy comes packaged in plastic for the most part.
Honestly, the whole concept of “recycling” plastic feels more like a PR strategy than an environmental solution. If it were genuinely effective, we’d see investment, innovation, and accountability—like we do with metals. Instead, we’re handed the guilt while corporations keep pumping out garbage.
Much like the concept of a carbon footprint, it exists solely to make consumers think they can make an individual difference so they won’t push for regulations
Yeah I especially love that one everytime I fly. I get to choose the environmentally friendly option with lower carbon footprint for more money. Who the fuck they think they are kidding? We are all in the same plane burning fuel at 10000 m.
Interesting to compare aluminium recycling with plastic recycling
When the true aim is to recycle material, industry comes to the party and you get a refund scheme, even purpose built deposit facilities that can be set up locally
When the aim is to misdirect public attention toward a non solution you get government mandated plastics recycling bins and penalties or “contamination” plus never ending messaging (gotta keep the lie alive with constant repetition lmaooo). Coercion is just a lowkey admission that the material isn’t worth recycling
The real question isn’t how to get the plastics industry to change, it’s how to make the ruse no longer a tenable position for governments
Dont forget the goal of disrupting actual leftist movements into confusion
Honestly if it was up to me I’d just ban plastic flat out unless you got some kind of “this is actually really important and NEEDS to be made of plastic” cert
There are tons of single-use plastic medical supplies - syringes, wrappers, etc.
Would you say that those things are actually really important and NEED to be made of plastic? I wonder if Aeri would account for that possibility
I’m not the ultimate authority on all things, but I’d question if these things need to be made of plastic.
Syringes are made out of things like Borosilicate glass, Stainless steel, autoclaves and cases exist.
It would also be way less big a deal if we just didn’t have as much plastic in general.
It would be a lot more costly to make syringes out of glass/steel for single-use types.
Counterpoint, how much is cancer treatment for (research sounds, papers rustling)… Seven thousand people†?
Multiply that by… some studies show costs of cancer treatment as high as $173,831 annually. 1,216,817,000? Would it cost more than 1.2 billion dollars a year to stop making everything out of plastic? This is just like, napkin ass math I’m not pretending to be a huge know it all or anything by the way. Personally I think that yes, we should stop making things out of poison, even if it costs more money.
†A recent study estimated that PFAS contamination in drinking water contributes to more than 6,800 cancer cases each year in the United States.
The sad thing is, only types 1 & 2 plastics are recyclable in any real fashion, and sometimes not even then.
That means types 3 through 7 are better disposed of in the trash, where at least they’ll be sealed into a landfill instead of being shipped overseas to end up somewhere far less environmentally secure.
These types are the numbers inside the recycling symbol. Many things are mixed and matched - a plastic bottle might be a type 1 (recyclable), yet its screw-on cap is typically a type 5 (largely non-recyclable). Always try to find the recycling symbol and dispose of anything not a type 1 or 2 in the trash.
It depends. My municipality recycling bins take type 5.
I can absolutely guarantee that it is either
- Burned for power generation
- Disposed of in a landfill
- Exported to a foreign country
Only about 0.5-2% of all “recycled” polypropylene is actually recycled in North America, in places where it is accepted for recycling.
I noticed a bottle was recyclable but the label wasn’t, was annoyed that they would do that because I doubt there are many who would read the label to know that
But even recycled plastic just gets shipped to SEA for them to deal with instead of actually being recycled so I guess it doesn’t matter
Treating waste water? Water treatment plants cost so much that they will never compete with dumping raw sewage into the river!
Which is why my local water treatment plant built a brand new pipe so they can dump directly into the river rather than the local nature reserve.
I’m so glad we privatised that…
The good news is that global warming (I prefer to call it Anthropogenic Runaway Global Heating because of the acronym) is going to completely fuck us all anyway, to the extent that plastic in the environment isn’t going to matter by comparison. At least oil turned into plastic and buried isn’t oil turned into CO2.
The two problems have a decent amount of overlap though. For example, I recently learned that car tyres are a huge contributor to microplastic pollution. This means that improving public transport infrastructure will reduce CO2 emissions and microplastic pollution.
But we still have microplastics in our brains, which does warrant some concern I think.
Thats just the microplastics talking, go back to sleep.
Sadly that is the problem. YOU did not think, the microplastics in your brain did.
Hey, maybe all the plastic will lead to such significant fertility issues, populations will crater, and ARGH won’t even matter anymore!
I wonder how much the oil industry subsidies are responsible for making recycled plastic more expensive than the new one…
How to get politicians to change views:
Plastic causes ed and shrinkage
They’ll blame woman for being too slutty and fucking everyone BUT THEM.
Unfortunately they’ll just claim not praying to god enough and the existence of trans people causes ED and shrinkage…
Thats crazy we all know trans people do the opposite for that lot.
And this is how capitalism eats itself. Nothing can be done without a market incentive, including not suffocating our planet to death.
Not to absolve capitalism, but it’s pretty easy to add market incentives to at least slightly address climate change. The concept of “externalities” has been around for a while, where something has a net social impact outside of its sale. It’s normally solved with taxes and levies.
The real issue seems to be nobody havong the appetite to even attempt the most basic solutions to the problem, mainly thanks to lobbying.
“Slightly” addressing climate change doesn’t cut it. That’s like slightly addressing a raging fire. Incrementalism is climate denial.
It ain’t capitalism, it’s the stupid fucking consumers. If a product, already plastic wrapped 3 times before they touch it, has a tiny hole, “Oh no, that one has a hole. I want another one.” Hell, anything imperfect gets tossed. My dumpster at work is packed full of plastic because assholes won’t take anything even slightly unperfect.
It’s the idiots buying single, shrink wrapped potatoes. It’s the idiots who think a Keurig cup is an ecological disaster, while every other drink they buy wastes 4-5x as much. How about the idiots buying kitchen containers while they toss the, often better, container their food came in?
When I was young, it was the idiot hippies whining about paper bags, like we were chopping down old-growth forests instead of making them from lumber waste (which is sustainable). Congrats assholes, you won, now we’re buried in plastic bags and choking turtles to death.
Until people stop buying so much new shit, reject plastic containers (as much as feasible) and start paying a premium for biodegradable packaging, we’re sunk. Or, better yet, we could force less waste via legislation.
Well, i think it’s definitely the “big evil corpos” fault. But that doesn’t make your rant wrong either. Just, consumers never want to be told they are part of the problem. Corpos are shit and all but if consumers wouldn’t buy shit while there is an alternative, they wouldn’t continue making it. Advertising is a big problem there as well, and people, consciously or not, being influenced at all times…
It is capitalism tho. Yes, us dummies enable it, but it is capitalism that currently gives the power to misinform the public and suppress the spread of truth/accurate research to a few rich humans.
I also want those Karens to be ok buying a piece of fruit that isnt in 7 layers of plastic, but to pretend that most of the environmental diaster we face isnt caused by corprate need for profit at any cost is wild.
I just wanted to buy some kiwis at the store yesterday. The only option they had was 4 packs inside of a plastic shell container. They have their own natural container- fucking skin. What the fuck?
Japan can be really weird about this as well. They have fish markets with fish sitting in the open on ice, where they sometimes put a label directly on the fish. And then you sometimes see stores with single bananas in a plastic bag
Yeah, Japan is definitely a weird one. For being so conscious about waste processing (they meticulously separate their trash and recyclables), they really don’t seem to care about just how many single use plastics they consume, at least on a societal level.
Or, better yet, we could force less waste via legislation
it’s amazing you recognise the better solution is legislation yet endlessly rant for consumers (dupped by the industry in this very post) to fix the problem
I really can’t wrap my head around this… (https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/project-earth-frugalpac-sustainable-wine-bottles-recycled-cardboard-central-california/)
The idea has absolutely no foresight. They want to “lower the carbon footprint” by putting less carbon in the atmosphere and polluting the future’s soil and water even more.
Being an old man this really gets me. I love the internet and the way computers today but there is a whole lot that worked fine before plastics were so common. Almost nothing in the grocery store had plastic and everything was pretty much as convenient as nowadays. Sure you had to pay a deposit on the glass bottles but you got it back when you returned them.
If I had to choose glass or plastic, I am always choosing glass. Glass is such a good material. It is infinitely recyclable, the bottles can be reused for several years, and if they are buried they don’t release microplastics.
I jump for situations where the glass is taken back for wash and reuse. Its the most sensible thing. I swear I had heard about restaurants doing this with containers but I never actually encountered one. So they had perm togo containers they took back and washed.
It depends on which aspects of the environmental impact you’re looking at, as melting glass to recycle it can be much more damaging than landfilling several plastic bottles if the glass furnace is heated by fossil fuels. If glass bottles are washed and reused, they’re much better than plastic, but that’s rarely what happens.
The cleaning was common back then. Every store took back the tall glass bottles of soda and in modern times oberweiss brought that back with milk. The glass melting is nice just as a final option really.
That’s reuse, not recycling. Glass is much more suitable for reuse than plastics as it’s longer-lasting and can withstand temperatures hot enough and cleaning agents strong enough to ensure it’s food-safe after being collected, but you need quite a bit of infrastructure to get the bottles back to the company whose products they’re for. At least for the parts of a bottle’s life that the manufacturer’s responsible for, it can be much cheaper to make fresh plastic, and if they can externalise the environmental cost of disposing of a plastic bottle (i.e. blame the consumer), it can look better for their carbon footprint etc., too.
yeah I was not limiting my comment to recycling just about how we don’t really need to be using plastic everywhere and how things were pretty fine in the 70’s where you only saw plastic in a few use cases.
Gas is used to heat up glass furnaces most of the time. But it is possible to use elctricity aswell, which is more and more sources from either solar or nuclear.
Not saying it is greener than plastic when it comes to electricity and shipping.
That’s still the way it works in Denmark, but with plastic bottles too. Something like 98% of all bottles are recycled.
The only safe way to dispose of plastic is to incinerate it…maybe it can replace some fossil powerplants…idk.
That’s not safe either. The best is to ban it.
