• VampirePenguin@midwest.social
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    So you’ve won. Here’s how you keep it: first, pass strict laws against publishing misinformation and shut down shitspreaders HARD. Do everything possible to put more money in voter’s pockets and remind them constantly of that fact. Compare everything the right says and does to Trump. Do the opposite of whatever the US does. Work to remove any leverage the US has over your countries and help each other out.

    Full disclosure: I’m a USian. Our recovery depends on the right failing as hard as possible, here and in your countries. There is an international far right movement at work, don’t get comfortable and don’t think you are safe. Identify their sources, causes, support structures and propaganda channels and shut them down before they can take root. Good luck and godspeed!

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      The issue is that in the US we have freedom of press…and with being worded as “misinformation” can be a double edged sword to whomever is in power.

      Actual misinformation being banned today could be “fake news” that makes the ruling regime look bad but is actually the truth tomorrow.

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    Bro, at least half of Americans are still out there like SpongeBob and Patrick, with no fucking idea that in less than three weeks, there will be no groceries on the shelves.

    The amount of “blissful ignorance” in this country is out of control. People need to be shook.

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      I hate to be so pessimistic but you don’t align yourself with the empire, fight it’s wars, depend on it for defense and trade, and get free from it. I really wish Canadians and others well. I hope your governments stand against American fascism.

      But the pessimist in me just sees the capitalist controlled parties fighting for control before their inevitable slide towards their own form of fascism in alliance with the empire.

      I really hope I’m wrong. Other western countries look like utopias compared to America right now. I just think the ruling class of other western countries is using nationalism to fuel its own fascism.

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        I really hope I’m wrong.

        You’re not, historically-speaking. The only preventative measures these countries can take is to prevent people getting a controlling amount of wealth so begin with. The people currently in power are not just going to give it up; either they will shift towards fascism and/or they will try to sabotage any and all socialist movements, usually either by trying to make them social democrats instead, or they try to discredit the organizations by calling them extremists, niche, and not covering them on the newsmedia.

        Right now, we’re facing fascism in many countries due to the wealthy/powerful working overtime since at least Thatcher/Reagan to deregulate and make the wealthy more wealthy and specifically to make the middle class disappear so everyone will be poor.

        The wealthy relies on a reserve army of labor to exploit their workers. Without desparation, workers might start asking for stuff like “rights” and “a livage wage.”

        Another issue is people en masse won’t fight for any injustice unless it personally affects them. A big reason why is explained in the paragraph above about desparation.

        Empathy is a learned skill, and capitalism actively discourages empathy just by the way it functions. Even pro-capitalist people will agree to this point, but they will phrase it as “greed is good.”

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        Agreed, we’ve put it off for a while but it’s only a matter of time before the comprises and contradictions again lead us down the path to fascism.

        An optimist might say it gives us more chances, but bed rest might only leave us weaker.

      • InsincereLogic@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Don’t get me wrong, I am by no means under the impression Labor is a sinless, flawless, perfect party; or that Albanese is some Saint of a man who can do no evil.

        Disclaimer: I am no political expert, and this is all my personal opinion based off my understanding of the bill. (I am also (usually) pretty pessimistic myself, increasingly so these last few years) but this is honestly the brightest spark of something that could not only help Australia in a way that prevents/could help shield us from the worst of the Mad Max timeline, but could also potentially help the rest of the world (how this all plays out, well I suppose we’ll see).

        But the “Future Made In Australia” Bill (I know, a little nationalistic sounding for my liking as well… wait, don’t leave yet, plez ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ) is a massive step in the right direction - especially in comparison to the current state of Trumpastan.

        The “general gist” of the bill (along with committing a $22.7 Billion Dollar government investment over the next decade) is:

        • A net-zero economy, and aiming to utilise it to set Australia as the "Renewable Energy Powerhouse" of the future. They've realised to do this, public investment will be needed.
        
        • Recognising the importance of domestic capability, but instead of you know, starting tariff wars as a "solution"; they're forcing the tying of our Mining Industry's (known for bottomless pockets, and literally zero fucks given for Australia's people or it's future) money, with the Manufacturing industry (known for being one of the most unionised industries in the country) and using it to bankroll this net-zero development. AKA: tying some of our largest private sector money to renewable energy only and investing it in the people and working class - as well as ensuring it's to the benefit of future generations. This also makes it INCREDIBLY hard to undo in the future.
        
        • Investing in it's people and future by promoting safer, more secure and higher paying jobs with better working conditions, as well as developing more skilled and inclusive workforces (by investing in skills development and creating more job opportunities through building this net-zero goal and the steps it will require).
        
        • Supporting First Nations communities and traditional owners by engaging collaboratively to ensure a positive outcome for their communities; while also encouraging their participation, and ensuring that they share in the benefits of, the transition to net-zero (this also includes any other communities directly affected by the transition)
        
        • Strengthening our domestic industrial capabilities for the future, through strengthening our local supply chains.
        
        • Increasing transparency and compliance of tax affairs, including  benefits received under supports provided by this bill.
        

        People see or hear the word “Private Investment”, stop reading, and jump straight to “neolib”, in turn weakening the word. I believe in this case, it’s also missing the forest for the tree’s.

        Is it driven by the noblest of values? Probably not. Will it work? Like I said at the beginning, we’ll find out, but even if it doesn’t - at least we’re finally trying something different for a change, something positive. If that can’t provide any optimism, I’d argue that’s bordering on doomerism and gives a whiff of “why even bother am I rite lol”.

        The bill has passed both houses, Labor won by a landslide, the Opposition Leader lost his own seat and quit politics; leaving our conservative (opposition) party leaderless. Murdoch’s propaganda machine failed spectacularly.

        Trumpet of Patriots spent millions, and (thus far) for their efforts have… 0 seats and less than 1.9% of the vote).

        Australia has spoken, and we have said “why the fuck would we want anything to do with that, cunt?” to The Art Of The Deal US-brand of politics fascism.

        The bill as passed, if anyones curious to read more.

        The current seats and count as of the time of this ramble.

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        Agreed, we’ve put it off for a while but it’s only a matter of time before the comprises and contradictions again lead us down the path to fascism.

        An optimist might say it gives us more chances, but bed rest might only leave us weaker.

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      Ikr, Australia has some huge problems but we actually pulled off doing a good thing for once.

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    Australia is the source of many of the USAs problems. This won’t last long, or have any positive changes.

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          The Americans had it coming after the coup they pulled off on Whitlam.

          Bloodless or not the USA can get fucked.

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            Why do you want me to get fucked over?

            I have never done anything to you. Considering the amount of struggle I have dealt with living in American society I can tell you right now I didn’t benefit from that or most evil actions those with power in my country have undertaken.

            Do I get to blame all Australians for the death of the Great Barrier Reef? No, that would be ridiculous because most Australians aren’t the owners of mineral extracting corporations.

            I want nothing but peace and prosperity for the people of Australia and I wished they had the same feelings for me.

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              Are you the USA? At this point I’m mostly indifferent to the suffering of US citizens though I do relish seeing the victims of leopards eating faces.

              Also I wouldn’t be so quick to use the Great Barrier Reef as an example, as those mineral extracting corporations are why the CIA did their coup on Whitlam.

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                I’m a citizen of the USA because I was born here. I voted for Democrats every single election since I turned 18, the leopards didn’t eat my face they slit my throat.

                You’re talking to someone that is currently suffering. I’m fucking trying to stave off poverty. What is wrong with you? The people of the United States are not an ambiguous block that represents a body politic, they’re flesh and blood people.

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                  So? You’re a citizen but you are not the USA.

                  Without the USA’s interference my country could have a sovreign wealth fund over double the size of Norways.

                  So I guess you could say I’ve been angry about the intereference with my country but now I’m laughing as the US tears itself apart. It feels like some small consolation prize for my country being robbed.

                  Not everything is about you, which I’m sure is just shocking because Americans always think they’re the centre of the universe.

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          Ahhhhh. While I do hate that man I wouldn’t blame Australia for him. Complete bastards can arise from every nationality.

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            I hear you, but as someone who has seen my country torn apart by Murdoch and his propaganda empire, I think the OC’s statement is far more fair than the up/down votes they have received. 🤷‍♂️

            • MrNobody@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              Nah fuck that noise. Dude might be Australian but he went to the country that really encouraged his vileness. He didn’t learn all that shite in oz. Same thing is happening with musk, not born in the US but goes there because thats the home of the greed and power hunger. All the worlds rich and vile go there or someplace as vile.

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              Lumping demographics together because of the actions of a few or just one guy isn’t something I’m comfortable with.

              Hell Canada would like to see our country collapse because our senile orange criminal jackass president decided to brain fart talk about annexing them and I rather not be lumped into that crowd.

              I miss being on friendly terms with our allies and I don’t want to think ill of their peoples.

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                We don’t want to see the US collapse. We want to punish the aggression against us. If Trump were to disappear overnight, and efforts were made to repair the relationship between our countries, I think it would relatively quickly go back to a semblance of normality, but surely there would always be some hesitation, knowing that all it takes to fuck it all up is another bad election which could happen at any time.

                We don’t hate America, we hate the current state of it. In the same way that sanctions work against governments that are doing awful things, we’re all, as a collective, putting efforts into trying to make our aggressors face consequences.

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                  I hope Canada takes every necessary step to ensure its people remain safe and prosper.

                  Please remember that the American agressors are a minority and literal hundreds of millions of United States would rather just be on good terms with Canada.

                  I personally wish my countrymen would stop being so racist against Mexico.

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              He owns our media too, we just don’t believe everything we’re told at face value it seems. The media was very much in favour of the liberals (our right wing party) this election and it’s shaping up to be their worst ever result in an election.

              Not to mention he gave up his Australian citizenship in 1985. 40 years ago.

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              He’s South African who holds a dual citizenship. And Canada are putting his citizenship on a bill with a petition to have it taken away for potential of siding with and motivating someone who is committing war crimes against the safety of Canada.

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    Canada would’ve 100% voted in a conservative government if it wasn’t for Trump and his fuckups.

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      Absolutely.

      Trudeau saw what happened with Biden bowing out too late and fucked off promptly, enabling the Liberals to win with a new leader.

      But Conservatives won a lot of seats. PP has been staved off for the next cycle, but it is not a guarantee that it will be the same the next elections.

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      Keep an eye on it. Those people aren’t gone, they’re just overshadowed.

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        Thankfully we get much longer terms so maybe we can ride out the storm.

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    My first thought was “oh thank God Canada will be safe for refugees to run to” not even particularly for myself, but for a lot of my friends.

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    Guys I gotta say if the working class of the world doesnt unite our only options will be auth/distopian hellholes

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      Only until the biosphere is completely incapable of supporting life, which won’t take too long. So we’ve got that going for us, which is nice

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      How are they supposed to unite when the working class are kept desparate with low wages and longer hours? They’re too exhausted after working 40+ hours/week to inform themselves for any length of time or fight. They would rather relax with TV/movies/games/a book/etc. A general strike is damn near impossible without massive mutual aid networks forming first.

      The capitalist class had all of this planned out from the get-go. We need to respond with force (a general strike; I do not condone violence). We need mass solidarity, and we are seeing that build especially after January 20th. We just need to plan well by building mutual aid networks and by directing their anger towards an actual solution. I like to direct people to Richard Wolff and his worker-coop focused idiology.

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    Gotta say, today was a much-needed dose of hope here in Australia. So refreshing to see our nation’s leader act with dignity and empathy for people, and actually have a plan to make things better.

    It feels like Dutton’s campaign was nothing but ‘Don’t vote for Labor’ instead of ‘here’s what we’re going to do’.

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      Dear Australian, and fellow citizen of the world: you are so right, and Canada was afflicted with much of the same problem.

      As such, your country is in inspiration to those of us in the United States - and the world at large.

      So, yeah, I’ve been blasting Australian rock music. Thank you so much and have a great day!

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      In Canada it was a carbon copy of that. Name calling and smear campaign… and when asked what THEY would do? « Lower taxes! » …. Ok… but how? « You’ll see!! »

      … No thanks 🙂‍↔️

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    Canada and australia are also genocidal right-wing dystopias.

    Gotta be uber privileged to celebrate this anywhere.

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      I understand we may have different opinions. I hear you, and you raise a noteworthy point.

      However, with all due respect, I cannot imagine not celebrating incremental victories and surrendering to both-sidesing the matter. Additionally given that Bibi appears to have strong preferences for which genocider he has to work with. I know you’ll disagree with this point, I get it. It won’t stop me from wishing you a good day though: have a great day.