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How the hell would anyone know
Just feel bad for the birds ;( not treated with any kind of decency or respect
I’m all for trash talking the circus of Trump and RFK, and anti-vaccers, but anyone doing so while still eating animal products is a hypocrite.
Gotta love the downvotes with no reply. It’s easy (and fun) to make fun of politicians but carnists have no response to their own overwhelming culpability.
People love to take moral stances / talk about sacrificing for the greater good, until their behaviour has to change.
Ugh, do we really need Trump + Pandemic again?
do we really need Trump + Pandemic again
If there were any justice in the universe, he would have died from the virus he unleashed on the world
It’s entirely avoidable, if only Trump would have actually learned something from his first term and actually funded research and prevention teams. Sadly, he only has the foresight to see how cutting those programs saves the US Govt. a penny now, and not the wisdom to see how that panny would have been money well spent if it prevented us from having to spend thousands on recovery efforts.
Trump would have actually learned something
That’s physically impossible at this point.
But they made so much money stealing PPE last time! Probably some good extortion money, too.
Huge bonus if they get to hold a cure over people’s heads, too.
When you look it up it says the government has a vaccine stockpile but you can’t get it
“Top virologists raise alarm” … that didn’t help last time. People and government won’t take notice or want to take action until we see people with blood coming out of their eyes and dying in the streets, and even then, everyone will be more worried about the economy than in the body count.
I need to watch 28 days later again.
Just in time for the sequel!
The third pandemic is a good book about a variety of diseases, including bird flu, mingling in a host (bird) body, morphing into a superbug, and wiping out huge swaths of the population.
If you like to read, it’s quite good, if a bit long. (but notably I read it in 5th grade and hauled around a dictionary for a lot of it… it sticks hard in my memory, because my step dad gave it to me after finishing it himself, and it was a challenge. One of our few shared positive things from the era where he almost killed me multiple times… but I haven’t read it in a hot minute; just shy of 30 years…)
If you wait a while, we’ll be living in it
at least worrying about the economy would be an improvement to just worrying about their personal freedom
They’ll just ask the elderly to die again
They wanted blue cities to die first. But somehow thought it would never get to the red places.
I’m not sure bird flu would work that way, anyway, but I’m sure lots of people with the bro science will declare that it does. Just like the bro science people were saying people were only dying “with” Covid, not “from” Covid.
“He didn’t die from being shot. He died from massive blood loss.”
Not now
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Scientists: we have some good news and some bad news on the pandemic front.
Public: Gimme the good news first.
Scientists: We’re going to solve the housing crisis really quickly.
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There could be 1000000 empty houses for every homeless person and capital would still be murdering people who tried to squat.
That’s dark. +1
I have a buddy who is a virologist. He sends me shit all the time about bird flu. The gain of function tests on it is wild. Also, note that we have seen this shit coming since 2012
- Fouchier, R.A.M., et al. (2012). “Airborne transmission of influenza A/H5N1 virus between ferrets.”
Published in: Science
Summary: Demonstrated that a small number of mutations could allow H5N1 to spread via respiratory droplets in ferrets.
Link: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1213362
- Herfst, S., et al. (2012). “Airborne transmission of influenza A/H5N1 virus between ferrets.”
Published in: Science (companion to Fouchier’s work)
Link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22723413/
- Imai, M., et al. (2012). “Experimental adaptation of an influenza H5 HA confers respiratory droplet transmission to a reassortant H5 HA/H1N1 virus in ferrets.”
Published in: Nature
Summary: Kawaoka’s lab showed that reassortment of H5N1 with pandemic H1N1 genes could enable airborne spread in ferrets.
Link: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10831
- Zhang, Y., et al. (2013). “H5N1 hybrid viruses bearing 2009/H1N1 virus genes transmit in guinea pigs by respiratory droplet.”
Published in: Science
Summary: Chinese researchers found that hybrid viruses combining H5N1 with H1N1 pandemic genes could spread between mammals.
Link: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1243362
- National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB) Reports (2012).
Summary: Initially recommended redacting details of GoF studies due to bioterrorism concerns, later reversed.
Summary: Chinese researchers found that hybrid viruses combining H5N1 with H1N1 pandemic genes could spread between mammals.
That would be bad, as current vaccines against avian flu in humans tent to work on the “H5” part…
What is the point of gain of function research? Sounds unwise to devote resources to making deadly diseases deadlier.
We don’t “improve” diseases to make them deadilier and then just release them. The point of gain of function research essentially boils down to “How quickly can this disease become a serious issue and what do we expect that to look like?” with covid, thanks to gain of function research we knew it would quickly mutate and decrease in severity and we could significantly reduce harm by slowing the spread until it got to the point it’s at today.
Makes sense! Thank you for taking the time to summarize
I think the idea is that the diseases are likely to become deadlier whether we do research or not, but by experimenting we are able to get ahead of it.
That makes sense. As you might guess, I am not a scientist
I have to say it again, I am not a virologist. I am just a middle-aged peckerwood from South Texas so please don’t take anything I say on the subject of H5N1 as fact. It’s just my understanding of how things work in a field I have very little connection to lol.
Gain of function tests are very controversial. IIRC there were a few SARS-CoV-1 leaks in Asia from GoF tests in 2004 or 05. People use those to argue against them. It can also be argued that GoF tests help us map out what mutations we should be watching for so there will be faster responses when they eventually occur. It can also help to advance vaccine research.
When they are done they destroy the mutated viruses or store nonviable samples in secured labs. The security and precautions, for the most part, keep it safe. Or so we are told lol
In the big picture GoF tests are a drop, what should scare the dick off you is reassortment. That happens on its own in the wild. The hits include H2N2, H3N2, H1N1, and H9N2. IIRC H9N2 is a top donor for internal genes and making it a superstar in the reassortments of all sorts of avian flu.
Good luck
2012? Bird flu been warned about since 2005 at least in my memory
The first case was in 1959 in Scotland. The first human case was in 1996 or 1997 in China. Then around 2002, there was an outbreak in SE Asia that caused alarm then in 2005 it spread by wild birds into Europe and triggered a big WHO warning. The first gain of function tests was in 2011 and 2012. My comment was about the gain of function tests. I probably could have worded it better
I wasn’t expecting my bingo card to fill up so fast.
How to prepare for this shit again? I guess I can start by storing some masks, and a lot more food.
Any advice or thoughts? I can work from home fulltime, and grocery deliveries is possible.
The best thing to prepare is to not be fearful and to not panic.
I suggest that everybody protest against factory farming and participate in boycotts. Call lawmakers and regulators to take direct action against these companies and their dangerous practices (and hold them responsible).
If you pitch it as a wall around the farms, that the farms will pay for. You might have a shot.
Going to post this as a main comment but two things are true
- the case mortality rate is, by far, one of the worst we’ve ever seen for an influenza. https://cdn.who.int/media/docs/default-source/wpro---documents/emergency/surveillance/avian-influenza/ai_20250131.pdf
- we already have a vaccine for it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1_vaccine
- don’t panic but be educated https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5CyVi4UzKxE
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I live in Norway, so the government will do everything in it’s power to protect its citizens probably. Like it did during COVID.
Theres no supply chain issues here currently either. During COVID pretty much everything was available besides acceptably priced GPUs
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If you get the flu just attend the next Trump rally you can find and cough as much as possible
Typhoid Mary 2: MAGA Boogaloo
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I think so. Spit on your hands and touch all the door handles you can find. Introduce yourself with a handshake to everyone you encounter. Buy a MAGA hat and see if you can get a picture or something with Trump. Turn yourself into a full on bio weapon that exclusively targets fascists.
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Stop eating meat. Stop paying for these diseases.
That’s not possible for all of us. I have dietary issues and food allergies that keep me on a strict diet. Animal protein (and even the type is limited) is the only source of main protein I can eat regularly without getting sick. Shit like this scares me because I’m afraid I could literally end up starving to death if all the birds and fish die.
What are your dietary issues and food allergies?
I wish I was stronger in this regard. Will make and a eat a vegetarian dinner today though.
There isn’t going to be another pandemic this soon after COVID. Pandemics happen about every 100 years. Pretty much everything happens in cycles and is predictable based on historical patterns. There isn’t going to be another pandemic this soon after COVID.
That’s not how shit works dumbass
Last time was a red 9, there’s not going to be another red 9 for 36 more spins.
We’ve had once in a century economic problems thrice in less than 30 years, STFU
This is not how probability works.
If we all die from the bird flu can we die after collectively doing the chicken dance?
Doo dee doo dee doo dee doot. Doo dee doo dee doo dee doot. So kiss my butt! 👏👏👏
In the U.S., RFK has promised to personally consume every dead bird he finds on the side of the road.
That’s just the worm talking, it’s out for revenge
It wants a mate
I knew there had to be at least one positive trait.
He actually does have one positive trait: he’s open to the idea of psychedelics for the treatment of mental health disorders. Past administrations have had way too much love for the Nixon-era “War on Drugs” DEA schedule, which treats magic mushrooms as more dangerous than fentanyl. It doesn’t make up for all the other damage he’s doing, and even this one thing he probably won’t handle in an appropriate way, since he’s also, y’know, incompetent. But it’s conceivable that this one thing could move in a good direction despite his leadership.
Great point and something that I support. Psychedelics have been known to provide psychological therapy for a while and I’ll take any gains in that area.
That happened before bird flu was announced tho
Thankful JD was only into couches
I just hope it kills a lot more Nazi antivax idiots this time
Hopefully it kills the uber-privileged carnists responsible for all of this death and disease.
I doubt it will they all have doomsday bunkers. I do hope that they are forced to cower in them for the rest of their days though……because guillotine
being able to be vegan/vegetarian is a privilege. it’s expensive as hell for starters. you can eat meat and still want change in the meat industry.
Not to mention there are people who physically have to eat meat. I have anemia due to stage 4 endometriosis. I can’t take iron supplements so have to eat meat or I get very sick.
Carnist? This is why we lose.
There will probably be some slant in that direction, but there’ll be a much bigger slant towards killing the elderly, the immunocompromised, those who can’t afford medical care and time off, etc. As usual.
As terrible as it feels to say with the way elderly people vote they more often than not fall into the nazi camp. I know my gandad does with fox constantly playing.
Unfortunately, it’s the rich that are feeding them the garbage that’s infested their minds. I don’t think there’s any saving the masses from the delusion they’re slobbering up, but as long as the buffet keeps getting restocked, the pigs will keep fattening up for the slaughter.
