What are you talking about? You really can’t see how this is just an expression of what the lawyer is describing? Transgender people aren’t allowed to exist. Texas literally has a law on the table right now to make it a felony, “gender fraud,” to not use your assigned at birth pronouns. Wake the fuck up dude.
There could, in fact, not be the category of trans if there was no gender binary. Without the moon, no cis- and translunar orbits. A boundary has to exist before it is possible to cross it or, indeed, stay within it.
That boundary is a quite bit fuzzy because gender is a bimodal distribution: Two bell curves which meet in the middle. But it clearly is there, those two humps clearly exist, they may apply to no individual but they apply, statistically, to the population as a whole, and as we’re individuals and not statistics where shit gets stupid is when people are saying “you’re on that side of the graph in aspect X, therefore you must be on the same side in aspect Y”: It’s trying to enforce a strict boundary when things are, well, fuzzy. Multi-dimensional, at the very least. There’s women with beards and men who can give birth. There always have been, and if that scares you then you should learn to live and let live.
“Trans” means people who are one sex who think they are the other, or think they are a “gender” different to what their sex determined gender is. That’s fine, they can identify themselves however they want in terms of “gender identity”.
Gender as it is now used is basically a “feeling”. It’s not scientific. It’s not based on science or biology or anything tangible. It’s literally just feelings. This is why there should not be any laws based on “gender”, but instead all based on sex - when anyone can change their gender at any time, basing anything on gender is completely pointless.
Sex is not “fuzzy”. There are 2 sexes, male and female. 2 gametes. 2 chromosomes. These “men” who can give birth are females/women who “identify” as the gender of “man”.
For the bearded women, facial hair doesn’t determine sex.
Dunno if you deleted your comment or what but I have the notification for it so I’ll reply to this one:
XXY karotypes exist, sure - that would be a male with a DSD. All DSDs affect either a male or a female. They are disorders that affect one or both sexes, not different sexes.
Phenotypes are whole irrelevant. They’re just observable traits , like height or eye colour. There are no “female sex determining phenotypes”.
It all is very complex, but the number of sexes isn’t - male and female are all there is.
Also you used a fungus as an example of 20k sexes? This is incorrect. There are “20k” mating types, not sexes.
I didn’t delete anything, your instance must be slow federating.
There are no “female sex determining phenotypes”.
Having the one or other set of reproductive organs, or something in between, is a phenotype. Phenotypes are the result of genes interacting with the environment, and your genitals are, indeed, a result of that. All of you is a result of that (because you don’t have any of your original cells any more).
In any case so you do seem to acknowledge complexity. Sexes, btw, as you describe them, are precisely “mating types”, I mean you started out with gametes. As to the choice of organism: You baited me, you said “creature on earth”. Fungi, last I checked, fit that category. Andorians have four sexes, btw.
Given that you accept all that complexity, why not the possibility of mind and body not matching up, making affected people have a rather intense desire to live their life as the gender opposite their overt phenotype?
What about the absolute deluge of studies that show that that, indeed, is a thing that happens? Why even argue this, when the science is settled? What’s in it for you?
As to humans: You could have googled karyotype and understood that there’s things like XXY, you could have googled phenotype and understood that you can have a XY karyotype and still a female phenotype.
This is all massively more complex and diverse than you think it is I’ve not even scratched the tip of the iceberg here.
“Males and females are different” = transphobe to you guys lol. Just like “Nazi”, being called a “transphobe” isn’t something anyone even blinks an eye about anymore because it’s lost all meaning.
it has a very obvious, static meaning to people who live in reality.
This is great because the people that live in reality don’t care about being called a nazi or a transphobe anymore because, because the people constantly calling everyone those words are denying the reality they live in.
but that doesn’t make them untrue accusations every time.
Sure, but most of the time it does - like this time for instance! Nothing I have said is transphobic. If you think it has been, could you please quote it and show me how it is? I’m always keen to learn.
This executive order by trump literally acknowledges people with gender dysphoria and excludes them from the military. It’s not saying “trans people don’t exist”. It’s saying they DO, and they’re excluded from military service.
It seems like maybe you don’t. Please explain to me how what I said is wrong? If their position is that trans people don’t exist, how can they ban them from the military?
The same way banning the use of pronouns other than those assigned to you constitutes erasure. It’s about restricting or removing rights until either it’s a crime to be a certain way and/or people are too scared to come out anymore
Can you please answer in the contract of what we’re actually talking about? This EO does not “claim trans people don’t exist” which was the lawyers statement. This EO is saying that trans people are excluded from the military - how can it do that while also saying trans people don’t exist? That makes no sense. They need to exist in order to exclude them.
It’s not saying “gender dysphoria is not a diagnosis that exists anywhere” it’s saying “believing yourself to be transgender is a substantial enough mental illness and flaw in character so as to preclude military service.”
This claims that having gender dysphoria is some sort of deficiency, and not just a non-standard identifier. This invalidates the identity of trans people, and calls into question their legitimacy.
It’s literally acknowledging their existence - the exact opposite of what some, including the lawyer, are saying.
Like it or not, gender dysphoria is a mental condition. Your brain is telling you that you’re “born in the wrong body”. That’s not saying its a bad thing, just that it is a thing - like anorexia where your brain tells you that you’re fat when you’re not.
The debate around which mental conditions make you not able to perform military service is definitely something that needs to be delved into more, but that doesn’t stop an administration from making a decision to start from.
No, I have. You’re just too stubborn to accept it. You made up your mind long before this conversation. No answer i give will be enough. You’ve decided they’re fine based on your textual interpretation.
You’re defending bigots. It’s a bad look and I don’t want to talk to you anymore. Have a good one.
Have they improved their electric and other utilities so that they don’t collapse in the slightest breeze? Or are they still doing stuff like this as a distraction
What are you talking about? You really can’t see how this is just an expression of what the lawyer is describing? Transgender people aren’t allowed to exist. Texas literally has a law on the table right now to make it a felony, “gender fraud,” to not use your assigned at birth pronouns. Wake the fuck up dude.
They are a transphobe. Even tagged then as such the previous time they tried to pass off their hate as “just stuff everyone knows is true”.
I wouldn’t bother.
Acknowledging that males and females are different makes someone transphobic in your mind, does it?
There could, in fact, not be the category of trans if there was no gender binary. Without the moon, no cis- and translunar orbits. A boundary has to exist before it is possible to cross it or, indeed, stay within it.
That boundary is a quite bit fuzzy because gender is a bimodal distribution: Two bell curves which meet in the middle. But it clearly is there, those two humps clearly exist, they may apply to no individual but they apply, statistically, to the population as a whole, and as we’re individuals and not statistics where shit gets stupid is when people are saying “you’re on that side of the graph in aspect X, therefore you must be on the same side in aspect Y”: It’s trying to enforce a strict boundary when things are, well, fuzzy. Multi-dimensional, at the very least. There’s women with beards and men who can give birth. There always have been, and if that scares you then you should learn to live and let live.
“Trans” means people who are one sex who think they are the other, or think they are a “gender” different to what their sex determined gender is. That’s fine, they can identify themselves however they want in terms of “gender identity”.
Gender as it is now used is basically a “feeling”. It’s not scientific. It’s not based on science or biology or anything tangible. It’s literally just feelings. This is why there should not be any laws based on “gender”, but instead all based on sex - when anyone can change their gender at any time, basing anything on gender is completely pointless.
Sex is not “fuzzy”. There are 2 sexes, male and female. 2 gametes. 2 chromosomes. These “men” who can give birth are females/women who “identify” as the gender of “man”.
For the bearded women, facial hair doesn’t determine sex.
That’s not even covering karyotypes, much less phenotypes. Read up on the actual biology before making BS claims like that.
Dunno if you deleted your comment or what but I have the notification for it so I’ll reply to this one:
XXY karotypes exist, sure - that would be a male with a DSD. All DSDs affect either a male or a female. They are disorders that affect one or both sexes, not different sexes.
Phenotypes are whole irrelevant. They’re just observable traits , like height or eye colour. There are no “female sex determining phenotypes”.
It all is very complex, but the number of sexes isn’t - male and female are all there is.
Also you used a fungus as an example of 20k sexes? This is incorrect. There are “20k” mating types, not sexes.
I didn’t delete anything, your instance must be slow federating.
Having the one or other set of reproductive organs, or something in between, is a phenotype. Phenotypes are the result of genes interacting with the environment, and your genitals are, indeed, a result of that. All of you is a result of that (because you don’t have any of your original cells any more).
In any case so you do seem to acknowledge complexity. Sexes, btw, as you describe them, are precisely “mating types”, I mean you started out with gametes. As to the choice of organism: You baited me, you said “creature on earth”. Fungi, last I checked, fit that category. Andorians have four sexes, btw.
Given that you accept all that complexity, why not the possibility of mind and body not matching up, making affected people have a rather intense desire to live their life as the gender opposite their overt phenotype?
What about the absolute deluge of studies that show that that, indeed, is a thing that happens? Why even argue this, when the science is settled? What’s in it for you?
There are 2 sexes, factually. If you can show a third that has ever existed in any creature on earth you would win a Nobel prize.
Schizophyllum commune has over 20k sexes.
As to humans: You could have googled karyotype and understood that there’s things like XXY, you could have googled phenotype and understood that you can have a XY karyotype and still a female phenotype.
This is all massively more complex and diverse than you think it is I’ve not even scratched the tip of the iceberg here.
“Males and females are different” = transphobe to you guys lol. Just like “Nazi”, being called a “transphobe” isn’t something anyone even blinks an eye about anymore because it’s lost all meaning.
It’s meaningless to you because you choose not to give it meaning, it has a very obvious, static meaning to people who live in reality.
This is great because the people that live in reality don’t care about being called a nazi or a transphobe anymore because, because the people constantly calling everyone those words are denying the reality they live in.
It’s true that some people over-use those terms, but that doesn’t make them untrue accusations every time. Like this time for instance!
Sure, but most of the time it does - like this time for instance! Nothing I have said is transphobic. If you think it has been, could you please quote it and show me how it is? I’m always keen to learn.
Sure!
As expected, you’re unable to do so :)
This executive order by trump literally acknowledges people with gender dysphoria and excludes them from the military. It’s not saying “trans people don’t exist”. It’s saying they DO, and they’re excluded from military service.
You really don’t understand how this works do you?
It seems like maybe you don’t. Please explain to me how what I said is wrong? If their position is that trans people don’t exist, how can they ban them from the military?
The same way banning the use of pronouns other than those assigned to you constitutes erasure. It’s about restricting or removing rights until either it’s a crime to be a certain way and/or people are too scared to come out anymore
Can you please answer in the contract of what we’re actually talking about? This EO does not “claim trans people don’t exist” which was the lawyers statement. This EO is saying that trans people are excluded from the military - how can it do that while also saying trans people don’t exist? That makes no sense. They need to exist in order to exclude them.
It’s not saying “gender dysphoria is not a diagnosis that exists anywhere” it’s saying “believing yourself to be transgender is a substantial enough mental illness and flaw in character so as to preclude military service.”
This claims that having gender dysphoria is some sort of deficiency, and not just a non-standard identifier. This invalidates the identity of trans people, and calls into question their legitimacy.
It’s literally acknowledging their existence - the exact opposite of what some, including the lawyer, are saying.
Like it or not, gender dysphoria is a mental condition. Your brain is telling you that you’re “born in the wrong body”. That’s not saying its a bad thing, just that it is a thing - like anorexia where your brain tells you that you’re fat when you’re not.
The debate around which mental conditions make you not able to perform military service is definitely something that needs to be delved into more, but that doesn’t stop an administration from making a decision to start from.
I said what is happening. Legalese nonsense is not a substantive argument nor does it undo what they are attempting to do. This is erasure.
OK so you can’t show how this “denies that trans people exist”. We got there in the end.
No, I have. You’re just too stubborn to accept it. You made up your mind long before this conversation. No answer i give will be enough. You’ve decided they’re fine based on your textual interpretation.
You’re defending bigots. It’s a bad look and I don’t want to talk to you anymore. Have a good one.
Gender fraud, seriously? What’s wrong with these people?
Seriously
The only laws that matter are ones that are actually laws, not proposed laws. That proposal isn’t going anywhere
Even if it did, it’s still not saying trans people don’t exist.
Yeah I remember saying that about gulf south abortion laws.
Have they improved their electric and other utilities so that they don’t collapse in the slightest breeze? Or are they still doing stuff like this as a distraction
Fuck you freedom says you freeze
Disgusting. I hate this timeline.