Dat cough he had in North Carolina today jeeeeesus I’ve had a cough like that before and the cold that goes with it is an ass kicker.
Cope, neolib your corpse-led country will fail if led by either of those two stains
330 million citizen and only those two were viable?
Believe it or not, but candidates don’t have to be set in stone. I’m no fan of “but we couldn’t do anything about East Palestine” Buttigieg, but I’d take him over either leading candidate any day. I have an even lower opinion of Newsom, but I’d even pick him. Biden is no longer in a position to be a strong counter to Trump.
LOL I just had a discussion with someone in another thread about how Walz would be great, but the person I was talking to said he didn’t think Walz had the name recognition.
Without a doubt, he’d be amazing. Unfortunately his lack of recognition outside of the Midwest is also a huge downside. He’d be seen as a nobody coming from the weird lefty state
I think the problem is his national name recognition is from George Floyd protests. (And the Agitators that were 100% from outside our state.)
It was a difficult and challenging time and he rose to it.
Walz is an excellent governor, and he would make an excellent president but I think he’s done after this term.
“I thought you said Hillary had a private email server?”
“Yeah, that too.”
most important thing is that he can still use his arm to sign legislation. that’s all you need him for. the actual deal is the cabinet. that’s what you’re voting for.
too bad most people don’t think about that, and fuck the dnc for putting the country in this situation.
This is a terrible sentiment. You need a team and you need someone to lead that team. Having the leader just be a puppet is terrible.
You’ll get a dysfunctional cabinet this way, you will get grifting, taking advantage of the puppet showing his face to bad ideas and you will get foreign influence prying on the weak puppet president.
And even if the president is not a puppet and “only weak”. We have a government falling apart and in deadlock because of our chancellor being a weak leader in Germany. The only thing holding them together at this point is the fear of them losing power sooner in an early election. All it does is give even further rise to the fascists.
You need a competent leader at the head of the cabinet. And that starts with her or him having their mental capacity.
oh you’re right. voting for biden may give rise to fascists… so we should let the actual fascists win instead. how have i never thought of this before‽
You let the Democrats gaslighting work on you. Since half a year they make us think, that the only two options are Trump and Biden, when in fact they could have allowed for proper primaries. They could have worked to prop up other candidates as viable alternatives. But they wanted the puppet they can control.
It is not too late to acknowledge Biden to be unfit and put up a different candidate. I have been advocating for this here since months. But instead of acknowledging that there is more real options, the DNC propaganda worked and works hard to limit our thinking to “its either one of them, no looking past the fishbowl”.
Biden was never voted because he was Biden. He was voted because he wasn’t Trump. Any halfway decent candidate that does not shares Bidens dogmatic support for genocide in Gaza and abusing immigrants can fill this role a hundred times better. Any such candidate could win the election in a landslide.
Pull the emergency brake on the Biden train. The Biden train is going into the abyss.
just tell us who you think people should vote for, instead of weaseling around it.
People should force the DNC to make primaries and have the people decide on a candidate.
they won’t, and that’s not an answer to my question
Then you vote third party and take the fight to the streets because you do not accept two genocidal mass murderers as legitimate options
…primaries where you get vote among these candidates. There were options.
In my state there were literally not other options. We had a single candidate primary.
Almost as if the DNC is not democratic and making sure to get their puppet in, instead of a leader.
idk how that’s relevant now
Just like complaining who’s running the parties isn’t relevant now. That’s the point.
i gotta admit that my brain is too small to comprehend your point
Sounds like a you problem then.
yeah definitely a me problem
We should all be screaming at the top of our lungs for Biden to drop out now. Fast. Throw in Newsom or Whitmer. I’ll vote for either, doesn’t matter.
This is a no brainer, and no loss. Either they do it which would be great, or we’re stuck with biden anyway, who now looks to be much worse off against trump.
Everyone should be telling biden to drop out. Everyone everyone everyone. And loudly.
It is insulting to suggest that this is why people won’t vote for Butcher Biden.
Am I the only one who remembers that Biden said he would only serve 1 term because the DNC pulled out more trickery to keep Brnie from winning?
They made sure to keep every other candidate up until super Tuesday and then all the other candidates pledged their votes to Biden. Warren made sure to stay in to keep those people who voted for her from voting for the only other progressive.
Harris had the worst showing of the last primary, so why should she be considered a frontrunner. The Democrats are running the same plan they did in 2016 and 2020, but we aren’t Trump is a terrible position. U admit that he’s a better choice than Trump, because any half-dead moderate Democrat is right-wing enough to be slightly better than Trump.
The DNC is too invested in their Corporate Pragmatism to realize that the only Corporate Elites backing Biden are doing it so that they have a modicum of morality. They don’t mind Trump because Trump will give them everything.
The DNC spent too long slowing down the major Trump prosecutions so that they would happen this year instead of last year to help with the election which has backfired. They didn’t have anyone to stand out in the last 4 years, just hoped and prayed that Biden would last.
We have 2 people who aren’t fit for office to choose from. 1 is a degenerate compulsive liar and grifter, while the other has lost which century we belong too and keeps having senior moments. One will give us Project 2025 and try to declare himself president for life, while the other will not help the regular people because nobody in the Administration understands that Stock values are not a good economic metric for those who can’t afford to invest because food, rent, Healthcare, and gas is too expensive for jobs that haven’t had a major pay increase in a decade.
Yes I’ll vote Biden, but we shouldn’t be forced into this.
Am I the only one who remembers that Biden said he would only serve 1 term
You’re not the only one who remembers this, but it never happened. There were off the record aides suggesting that but Biden never made any sort of public commitment or suggestion he would only serve a single term.
Didn’t stop him from implying it, though,
Or his campaign running with the idea to sell to middle-aged (“younger”) voters.
If we’re going to rag on him for empty campaign promises, there’s much better ones, though.
This Biden protection is crazy. we need a candidate who actually stands a chance against Trump. this is insane. It’s 2016 all over again.
I’m not voting for the insurrectionist in 2024. I don’t care how frail Biden looks. The choice is obvious. I’ll worry about the next candidate.
Agree, this astroturfing is insane. I can’t help but think it’s a coordinated campaign, because Biden was very clearly senile in that debate, if not something worse. Democrats can still win if they let Biden retire and choose someone who can rebut Donald Trump.
Any other candidate just wouldn’t have the name recognition. Millions of Americans just vote for the incumbent regardless of who it is
And the guy who already beat him once just isn’t good enough huh
Bush was clearly the face man of an executive admin that he didn’t run, he was s figure head. Clinton, it was assumed by the press and a lot of the voter base wasn’t running his admin, the first term Hillary was said to be running things and a slew of technocrats was assumed his second term, Reagan, we now know historically, was experiencing Alzheimer’s all through out his presidency, much like Trump, he also had a strict schedule of not even pretending he showed up to work.
There’s nothing wrong with electing the face of an administration you want in office, this is largely Obama’s admin still running the government, that’s what we all want. Unkie Joe can take all the naps he wants, it make no real difference.
I don’t even see why that matters. Even if the candidate was an actual real turnip, the choice would be obvious.
I mean I don’t vote in your election but it seems quite clear to me.
Hey it worked out well when they protected Hillary…
Wait no it didn’t
Who’d be the dream choice for american democrats? Hillary Clinton? Michelle Obama (who’s not even a politician) with Barrack as advisor or VP?
I get that this is Lemmy and most people here are communists who’ll say Bernie Sanders, and that’s fine too, but wouldn’t he turn away a bunch of voters?
He needs to withdraw. He has to. The man looks like he’s dying. It’s time to stop playing pretend. This is fucking stupid. He’s literally not physically capable of being president. He doesn’t just have a raspy voice, he rambles incoherently, he can barely seem to register what’s going on at any moment. He nods off in public. He’s ancient. He should be no where near a political office.
If he runs he’s handing Trump the presidency. And I don’t even fully believe he cares. If he cared he would never have run in the first place. He also chose to hammer home on his unending support for Israeli colonialism and crimes against humanity. Just to further aleniate the progressives and moderates who want him to stand up for human rights.
I have no faith in him to drive a car let alone handle the political office of the presidency. He could be a literal corpse and he’d still get my vote over Trump. But you’re asking people to vote for someone who is openly incapable of doing the job he’s campaigning for. He HAS to step down. He CANNOT defeat fascism. He is not capable of it and he is so chronically neoliberal that he cannot even create a strong opposition to fascism.
We’re all freaking the fuck out because this is the worst scenario. The one we ALL SAID WAS COMING. We were all told not to talk about how old he is Trump is old too and all that. And Trump absolutely is old but he’s a fascist for one and fascists vote differently than anyone else does. But much worse he always rambles incoherently so standing next to Joe he looked as he normally does and Biden was the one who had visibly aged.
Enough is enough is enough he has to go. Where is the real political effort to have him withdraw. The clock is ticking until November and he HAS TO GO.
Sure, let’s all pretend the problem was his voice. It’ll do wonders in november.
No one is ignoring the problems…aside from the talking heads who are rambling on about this
As another said: vote for the Biden team, not Biden
Else you get trump and Jared kushner again
It’s getting pretty clear that if things keep going the way they’re going and the options are Team Biden and Team Rapist, Team Rapist is gonna win. That’s a problem. Memes like this ignore the problem.
Memes like this ignore the problem.
Well memes definitely are where I look for in-depth political analysis so you’ve got a great point here. /s
No one is ignoring the problems…
The volume of cope on this forum is obscene
To clarify for you:
I and many others clearly acknowledge the myriad issues with Biden.
As a human, his age and health are of serious concern.
As a candidate, many of his actions, such as the dogged support for Israel are massively reprehensible.
The point is that focusing on a voice or a stutter is not his platform (which, again, has massive issues).
Keeping trump out of the Whitehouse is all that matters, and if someone is gonna fixate on a geriatric person’s ability as an orator, and not their policy decisions, that’s junk.
The point is that focusing on a voice or a stutter is not his platform
His platform is bad. He’s a conservative Democrat who has governed in line with the Bush/Cheney era. From automotive subsidies/bailouts and protectionist tariffs to overpolicing and warmongering abroad and migrant criminalization to privatization of public utilities, he’s been very bad for the country as a whole.
That’s his platform. It’s not good.
Keeping trump out of the Whitehouse is all that matters
Keeping Trump out isn’t a policy. Hell, it isn’t even part of Biden’s platform. Biden had four years to prosecute Trump and failed to do so. He put more effort into prosecuting Assange than Trump, ffs.
It wasn’t so much the voice that was the problem, it’s that his answers were often bad and totally incoherent.
If he was clear and concise, I’d deal with the raspy voice.
I am not going to vote for Joe Biden. I am going to vote for the Biden Administration. They can “Weekend at Bernie’s” the old man for all I care.
Sounds like a great strategy… smh
Might as well give Trump the presidency on a silver platter
Tell me you skim when you read without telling me you skim when you read. 🤣
Nah you should be advocating his replacement
Sounds like a great strategy… smh
Might as well give Trump the presidency on a silver platter
That’s been the standard US Presidential SOP since Nixon developed a serious drinking problem and Kissinger demanded all orders go through him first (so as to avoid WW3).
They had an old, dementia ridden actor, and the dumb-ass Bush son for that reason, too. HW Bush could handle his shit but he raised taxes and puked on the Japanese PM so that’s a pass. Trump is just another stooge to be kept in line so that his doners get what they want.
Biden could drop dead on January 21st and we’ll still get to call this mission accomplished, VP Jeffries ain’t a half bad outcome personally, although Kamala having her eyes on that incumbent effect is gonna make me groan come 28
Jeffries is literally one of the most corrupt neolibs in Congress in terms of taking bribe money.
This is a good perspective. Great way to look at it.
So the man has a stutter, and he’s old, what ever. All I can do is cast my single vote. Last time, I voted against Trump, and honestly, even after the debate, I’ll cast my vote this time for Biden.
I’d much rather cast my vote for Hakeem Jeffries, or Shift, or Bernie, or a dozen other people who aren’t an option.
Thing is, I’m going to cast my vote in Cook county IL, so it literally won’t matter. IL is going blue no matter what, and I feel like my participation is merely token.
I wish I could do more, I want to scream at clouds about what is happening to the country, and it doesn’t matter.
Saw a stat that says Trump is 65% to win, and want to physically grab people and shake them, but what would it matter?
Had I walked into that debate blind, not knowing who those people are, what the “facts” and the facts are, I’d have thought, that Biden guy seems weak and befuddled, and boy that Trump is sure a confident leader. It made me feel sick.
As I told my mother today, I don’t have kids, I live in the midwest, have a good job with a big stable company, truth is, even a second Trump term won’t effect me that much. I can just sit back, enjoy my 30 so years left, and watch the world burn, but damn it, I have empathy for others, and there are many, many people whose lives and livelihood are going to be seriously impacted, and that bothers me.
I’ll also be casting my vote in Cook county. I have hispanic kids. My wife is Salvadoran. She is a US citizen born and raised in the US. I’m a white atheist and a dual citizen of the EU who has had the audacity to previously speak poorly about my corporate overlords. I grew up in the south. I don’t trust these project 2025 fucks to stop at illegal immigrants. Biden sucks, but I’ll vote for him anyway because the system literally gives me no other option. Until the system changes or fails, this is what we must do.
If you value the supreme court, lower court appointments, social security, healthcare, childcare, the environment, action on climate change, a competent CDC for the pandemics we’re going to experience more frequently, etc., vote Biden. Yes he’s old. Yes he sucks. Unfortunately he’s the lesser of two evils. And by a wide margin.
If your district is definitely going blue then you could safely vote 3rd party… Think of it as a vote to change the fptp system. There is no way the system will ever change if we don’t start forcing it to.
2016 called, they want their apathy for keeping fascists out of the government back.
Sure wish the DNC and Biden would heed the call
The Democrats will never change how their party runs or what their awful politics are as long as people keep voting for them no matter what. So basically we’re stuck with this genocide-supporting neoliberal bullshit until America finally collapses (inshallah).
Voting for either party no matter what will always result in this shit show. If people were more sensible they’d punish candidates all the time by voting against them and making them lose. Then they’d learn they actually need to do what people want.
Accelerationism yay
you are already on genocide
Dumb
genocidal.
Your pro trump lies certainly are.
so the genocide is a lie now? and being against it is somehow pro trump?
You giving the election to trump proves you give not a single flying fuck about any Palestinian
But if I vote for them no matter what surely they’ll move left because they respect me and are good guys
