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Oh joy… I guess watching liberals pearl-clutching themselves into supporting colonialist genocide is going to be the dominant spectacle on this community until the hammer drops in November.
Yay.
Ah my favorite self flagellating liberal! What’s keeping you around this community, then? Is this easier than finally facing the mirror?
Ah my favorite self flagellating liberal!
Oh, you remember me? How flattering.
However, I don’t remember you… you liberals all sound the same to me, and, of course, that’s a you problem.
Now do conservatives…pray tell where does trump stand on genocide…to shreds you say.
You’re a fucking idiot.
Now do conservative
Which part of…
I guess watching liberals pearl-clutching themselves into supporting colonialist genocide
…didn’t you understand?
So-called “conservatives” are liberals, Clyde. So-called “conservatives” buy into the exact same pro-capitalist, pro-colonialist ideology of liberalism that you buy into, Clyde.
The only difference between the people you call “liberals” and the people you call “conservatives” are that the latter is further along the “liberal-to-fascist” pipeline than you are.
The only difference between the people you call “liberals” and the people you call “conservatives” are that the latter is further along the “liberal-to-fascist” pipeline than you are.
For me to believe that, the fascists pipeline would only make aesthetic differences while you’re traveling inside.
It’s like the anarchists say - scratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds.
Oh look over there! Anywhere but at the thing we could meaningfully stop right now!
right now!
How, pray tell?
I remember Democrats told me that they would hold Biden’s feet to the fire. What happened with that?
They told anyone who tried that they were trump supporters, traitors to the country. A page straight out of the Bush White House during the Iraq War.
Biden can stop the military aid. Indeed continuing to send aid is illegal under the Leahy Law and Foreign Assistance Act.
Look up the definition of genocide, you stupid and way too obvious groiper dummies
any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
© Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Article 3 defines the crimes that can be punished under the convention:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
© Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.
Hey, how complicit do you figure someone is if they keep sending military aid, knowing they’re being used in war crimes and knowing the government receiving them is openly talking about clearing all the “bad people” out so they can build settlements?
Can we get a source please? I’ll just assume you got that from some Tankie forum where all the avatars are manga characters
So you looked it up! It’s the first step on your long journey to understanding it.
“But but… what about shareholder value?”
“But but… what if some of them are terrorists?”
And God said go forth and multiply profits for the pharaohs, priests and tax collectors.
Sounds like something The Profits would say.
shudder
I just imagined Kai Winn as middle management and… yikes.
And kill the firstborn (who are my children, whom I love) of every tribe member (who are my children, whom I love) because the tribe’s leaders (who are my children, whom I love) were big meanies to my chosen children (whom I love the mostest)!
What value did your children provide to the profits? Let he who provides nothing to the shareholders die without healthcare. So let it be written so let it be done.
supporting conservative genocide is just another way of saying you love your fellow humas
Maybe we need to take a step back, define herbicide and then go from there
Whichever way you vote, this will continue to happen. Sobering thought, eh?
There are no quick solutions or permanent victories, unfortunately. Which is why civic education is so important, and so frustratingly undertaught.
This isn’t totally true, but it’s partially true. If Trump wins the American election, he will double down support for Israel and completely write off all those who oppose them as terrorists.
Biden is just kind of apologetically supporting them because he’s a weak leader that can’t afford to rock the boat. He does weakly push back often, it’s just nowhere near what we want or need.
If Biden actually wins the election, he may actually end American support. I’m of the opinion he’s afraid of offending democrats and independents that support Israel, thus losing him the election (since he’s barely ahead in the polls.) Most of us are still going to vote for him despite this, because Trump is far worse… You can’t say that about the people who support Isreal.
Biden is the #1 whore of israel. He’s been sucking their dick for his entire career.
Biden is just kind of apologetically supporting them because he’s a weak leader that can’t afford to rock the boat … If Biden actually wins the election, he may actually end American support
No, he is ideologically committed to supporting Israel. He has said this multiple times and I see no reason to disbelieve him. I think it’s equally likely Trump would stop supporting Israel because of America First/antisemitism, which is to say, so unlikely as to be impossible.
Yeah, Trump himself has no policy commitments. He’ll say whatever he thinks is popular biased on the last thing he’s seen on television. In office, he delivers bog-standard republican policy because that’s who his cabinet gets filled with.
I don’t see Biden changing his stance on arming Israel. Trump could, but the question is whether would it last long enough to actually affect policy.
The only good mosquito that bites humans is a dead bug.
"Kill them all ticks, mosquitoes, centipedes and w/e. if it moves kill it.
This is spacehooks and I approved this ad for president "
well it seems you‘ll all be voting for it
Yep. Because unlike you, all of us are actually paying attention to what’s going on and know how things work.
We’re not jaded and entitled children that think our every want and need will be addressed and throw temper tantrums and make threats when they’re not.
whatever you say sweetheart
jaded and entitled children that think our every want and need will be addressed
Yes, how spoilt we are to not want checks notes genocide.
and so what if we watch a few animal (yes, members of the Israeli ruling coalition have called the Palestinians animals) die in Gaza? it’s good for our geostrategic interests in the region.
Tf are you even talking about?
about how we’re just going to sit, watch and fund a genocide? or the thing about multiple Lukid cabinet members labelling Palestinians as “human animals”? I mean, there wasn’t more than those two points, so not much to get confused about…
Dude. Genocide is happening whether you vote or not. Why not save the LGBTQ+, stop Arabist from abusing America, and help protect women’s rights instead of being smug and pouting that you’re not getting everything the way you want.
The simple fact that by now it’s fucking impossible to not know rust Donald “finish the job” Trump is going to help decimate Palestine.
And the fact that YOU FUCKING KNOW THIS-
Shows exactly what you’re up to. And I’ll call what shit out every time I see it until Evertone see what you’re up to.
Don’t use LGBTQ+ and women’s rights as a shield for genocide. Also, what is “stop Arabist from abusing America” supposed to mean?
I’ll use whatever is factually true to illustrate what’s going to happen if Trump is elected. Especially against bots that clearly don’t give a fuck.
If I want to protect LGBTQ+ in America, I need to start offing white guys, if I want to protect women in the US of A, well again white conservatives,
It’s hilarious that you tell me you know what’s up, point out that trump will do it as well (duh), and then come with the same talking points to justify Islamophobia and racism that the alt-right has been using for years! I mean, what the fuck is an “Arabist”?
There is an alternative, it’s not supporting genocide, it’s not sitting at home pretending like the slaughter is innocents is a good cause because “it protects the LBGTQ”, then again the one thing Americans can do, is mock adults as children for being in university, they can paint solidarity with the oppressed as supporting all the worlds evil (like you do here), and then have the gaul to not admit that they are complicit.
At least have the decency to admit that you don’t mind the ethnic cleansing, the slaughter, the genocide.
What’s hilarious is how you continue the ruse that you actually give a shit about genocide while purposefully not doing the thing that is going to keep it from becoming much worse
No on believes you bud. So just stop.
You just proposed killing people based on the color of their skin as a solution.
Welcome to democracy - where the ignorance and malice of the politically uneducated majority force the politically educated minority to make shitty and immoral choices.
It’s better than the alternative, of course - the ignorance and malice of a politically uneducated minority forcing everyone else to support one shitty and immoral choice.
This isn’t democracy. If ending genocide was actually a choice on the ballot instead of two ghouls who both support genocide, I bet most would vote to end genocide. What we actually have is a representative system where we’re told that we vote in politicians who represent us, but in reality they represent the plutocracy and the plutocracy wants genocide.
I bet most would vote to end genocide
That’s curious considering all the polls to the contrary. But spreading misinformation is your primary pastime on here, so I shouldn’t be surprised.
Thinking most people would be against genocide is spreading misinformation?
Considering that most Americans currently support continued aid to Israel, yes. Not that facts matter to you, considering how badly you want fascism in the US.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx
I remember pointing out this poll to you before months ago, but you decided to ignore it because you’re like a republican who loves projection. Turns out you’re the one who spends their time spreading misinformation. You’re also defending genocide with your misinformation while calling me a fascist. 🤪
I remember pointing out this poll to you before months ago, but you decided to ignore it because you’re like a republican who loves projection.
Funny, because I remember that exchange, and I pointed out that “Disapproves of Israel’s actions” and “Supports removing aid” are two entirely different things, and supported that with a poll showing the difference between the two. But fascists like you have a very loose relationship with the truth.
so what are you saying? the majority of US voters forced the government to support the Gaza genocide?
and if not? are we already living the alternative?
Surprisingly, yes. as AIPAC said, they got a 100% ousting of all candidates who were “anti-Israel”(translated to normal speak: against slaughtering Palestinians because Israel embraced the 14 words), this is a very clear democratic mandate to support the slaughter of innocents, so the land can be used for more settlements.
What does it mean: they got a 100% ousting of all candidates…? I am not a native speaker. Who is they?
Look two words to the left.
AIPAC is a very public Zionist lobbying group working on behalf of the most radical elements of the Israeli state. they were founded to help smooth out Israeli US relations after the Qibya massacre in 1953.
Are you voting for time travel so you can travel back to the 1940s, become supreme leader of Israel, and change the 70 years of Israeli domestic policy that has led us to this point?
are you saying that the only choice we have is genocide?, that is sick, twisted, and wholly untrue.
K
You can say that all you want as long as you accept you have to vote for it.
Let me put it this way - there’s no justification for what Israel is doing or our continued support of Israel. There’s also no justification for welcoming fascism into the US.
This whole shitshow is a stain on our souls, collectively and individually. It’s all we can do to make the least bad choice, and then work towards it not being forced on us again.
Then we can enjoy some entirely new and unforeseen shitshow to torment us.
It’s shitshows and stains on your soul until you die.
I am shocked and appalled by this grotesque show of antisemitism. Shocked and appalled I tell ya!
EDIT: /s…obviously
I think I could find it in me to justify geocide of the Jem’Hadar.
(Since this is not a Star Trek board: The Jem’Hadar are a genetically engineered race, made by the Dominion. Their purpose is to be ruthless soldiers. They are engineered without emotions, or any care for human-like values, and so they inevitably have no sense of ethics. They are managed in two ways: first, the need for a drug-like protein that only the Dominion can synthesize; and second, a predisposition to recognize the Founders of the Dominion as their slavemasters.)
But any race, even a race with a proven tendency to be assholes, like the Cardassians, deserves a chance.
As for Palestinians, it’s not even close. They should obviously be considered innocent civilians. If I were to make inferences about who was the more evil race based on the current war, I would be much more likely to pick Israelis because of their current kill count of civilians.
But we don’t make such inferences. They’re all humans. They’re way more closely related than Bajorans vs Cardassians. They all evolved on the same planet, are the same species, with a very recent common ancestor. It’s due to their upbringing, education, and circumstances that Hamas and IDF both wish to commit genocide, and it’s due to external funding that IDF has been more successful at it.
Generally a good take, I just wished you hadn’t used the word “race”, because the concept of race itself is only a thing among racists, and we should not use that kind of language.
The Jem’Hadar were not without emotions. In Hippocratic Oat we see that. I’d argue that the fact that they’re an enslaved race Surely it’s better to be working to break them free of that enslavement, rather than committing genocide.
But then again I think Janeway’s genocide of the Borg was wrong too.
The Jem’Hadar were capable of going against their programming once their Ketracel addiction was treated. You don’t need genocide.
You need a revisit of DS9.
Jem’hadar had their own set of internal rules and even disagreements on how to interpret or execute orders. The drug was used to ensure absolute control because they could evolve in a cultural or spiritual sense.
Neat! A multilayered sociopolitical nightmare reduced to a star trek meme to depress voting turnout!
What a great idea. Hey - I bet OP is gonna get some serious . . well, not karma obviously . . um . . satisfaction out of it!
Caring about things besides “must defeat fascism cheeto” doesn’t make someone a shill or a Russian bot. It’s possible to care about multiple things.
I’m on your side, man. I’m on here bitching on “BOTH SIDES” types all day long. I’m voting for Biden (or, on the off-chance he’s replaced, whoever the fuck is put up as a viable alternative to Trump). Voting to intensify genocide, as with a vote for Trump or a failure to oppose Trump with one’s vote, is never acceptable.
It’s just that we also must accept, as citizens, that we bear a part of the responsibility of this mess, and at no point can we look back at this and say “Well, as the American people, our choice to tepidly support genocide wasn’t THAT bad, or geopolitical concerns justified it”
Our choice is dogshit. Even if it was 100% reversed now, it would remain dogshit, albeit much less dogshit than continuing or intensifying it. And we have to square with that on our souls.
Yep I know, sorry. Just took down my rants, I didn’t see it was yours until I got all worked up. Apologies.
Does anyone have proof there is a genocide and can explain me?
Yeah I’m still waiting on these groipers to supply anything of substance to their lame troll attempts from 2020
Let’s buy this guy a one way ticket to Gaza
You see Israel is brutalizing Gaza and somehow it is exclusively Joe Bidens fault. Oh, and people voting Biden over Trump in November, its our fault too, half way across the world making zero decisions about it and the like.
We’ve even had an “Evil must be opposed!” moment.
It’s a pitty Bibi didn’t hang himself while jumping off a railing.
Time Traveller from 1993 (when this episode aired): “So, what’s 2024 like?”
“If you say you won’t support genocide, you get accused of being a Russian asset.”
Also an anti-Semite.
Or a sinophobe or a russophobe, or a bad sport depending on which genocide you deny.
It’s a fucked up state the world is in when all great powers have their own genocide which they deny.
