• But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    This is why the new tv series will be hated by all. They had a chance to remake and sanitize the series away from the grimy hands of JK and instead they doubled down. So if anything this remake might be even more offensive.

    The wild thing is that growing up I had all the conservatives and bible people trying to stop us kids from reading the demonic Harry Potter novels. Now that they realize the author is one of them, they suddenly love the books about witchcraft!

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      Unfortunately, they won’t be hated. A lot of people don’t actually care all that much about trans people :(

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        Are you not aware that Snape literally has been cast as black? Because if not that’s hilarious coincidence.

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        I don’t think Hogwarts: Legacy doubled down, though? It’s definitely sad that she made money off that game being sold, but she didn’t have any hand in the writing. The game has trans characters and allows the player to be trans as well.

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          My comment was only to point out that the mainstream does not care about JKR’s take on trans people and that anything Harry Potter will print money, which is the opposite of OP’s take on things.

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          she does profit from the IP being sold. and people were like defending the game and her transphobia.

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      Ok but harry potter “defenders” and jk Rowling defenders are not the same. You can appreciate the world of HP while not agreeing or supporting their shit creator.

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        Honestly, having to listen to people babble about Harry Potter just feels like a slap in the face. Like, I know people who have the best intentions in regard to supporting trans people, but they’ll still happily make endless references to this garbage in front of me as though it wouldn’t immediately bring to mind someone who is actively engaged in trying to get others to agree that I shouldn’t exist. Some of them also buy merch that I guarantee puts money directly in her pocket.

        It bothers the shit out of me.

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          I understand why this is so painful, and I really appreciate you sharing how you feel. I grew up with HP, and while it was part of my childhood, I don’t support the author’s views at all. I get why seeing people casually reference the series or buy merchandise can be upsetting when it feels like it’s indirectly supporting someone who actively harms the trans community. That said, I think it’s important for people to be able to talk about the series and its impact on them without automatically being labeled a bigot. Acknowledging the harm the author has caused doesn’t mean we can’t still discuss the cultural impact of the books. People should be more mindful, but I don’t think we should shut down conversations about it entirely. Thanks for sharing your perspective—I’ll keep this in mind moving forward.

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            I grew up watching The Cosby Show. Big part of my childhood etc. I’ll leave you to join the dots.

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            No one is. This is an article about how she uses profits from the HP franchise to fund transphobia with people running in to the defend liking the franchise while completely ignoring the context of the post.

            Edit: For reference, liking or not liking the franchise isn’t what the post is about, so running in to defend it is gonna be read as supporting funding the franchise.

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            The very first comment is all about actively supporting J K Rowling with money, so this is not just about people talking about HP, but funding someone who is actively using their money and influence to harm us.

            As others have mentioned publicity and support in general for HP is also bad, as it makes people more likely to buy HP merchandise. New shows, merch, and games are still being produced and sold. We aren’t shitting on HP for fun. We are telling people that this actually really and truly hurts us.

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            I would never call someone a bigot for talking about Harry Potter. It does absolutely reduce my opinion of them, though. I keep it to myself, but I see it as pretty thoughtless.

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        yes you can but i will still judge you because it’s a terribly written series

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          I found it very fun, interesting and captivating when I read those books (that is, when I was maybe 13-16?). If it was “terribly written” it wouldn’t have made the success it did, and also the target audience is generally not made of literary critics.

          So I don’t think there is much to judge, especially since many people’s good opinion on the story is based on their lived experience with it, from when they were younger etc. And you can’t erase that from your life because the author turned out to be an asshole 15 years later.

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            “If it was “terribly written” it wouldn’t have made the success it did”

            Dan Brown’s millions beg to differ.

            If people like HP stuff they might want to try Dianna Wynne Jones’ stuff: earlier, better, and didn’t have the same fortunate exposure.

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              The DaVinci code sold 80 millions copies. The first HP book alone sold 120 millions, and the whole series 600 millions, being the most sold series of books.

              Not only they are one order of magnitude apart, but I think they sold for different reasons.

              I haven’t read Dan Brown’s stuff, but I also doubt it’s terribly written by the way. Books that capture the interest of a population more and more unused to read can be shallow, banal, inconsistent, whatever, but not terribly written. Casual readers can hardly finish a terribly written book. In any case, HP books are children’s books. Children or teenagers are not literary critics, it’s not about reading “great literature”, however you define that.

              I also can’t help to notice the coincidence that all the HP critiques started appearing in the last years, when the author went bananas. A series this popular, which ended in 2007, and suddenly 15 years later people notice that it’s “terribly written”? This smells more to me of a damnatio memoriae than genuine critique.

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                You haven’t read it, but that’s what you reckon? Okay.

                As to the other point: JKR’s stuff is trite and derivative, but I do think that some of its “problematic” aspects are likely just because it’s regurgitating European fantasy tropes, which themselves may (originally or later on) encode antisemitism and so on.

                And when it comes to it, subjecting any popular series to close reading with an eye for affront is likely to show up its flaws. Just think of all the janitors who blew up with the death star.

                But Brown’s stuff is utter garbage (not to mention just ripping off “the Holy Blood and the Holy Grail”, which was pretty awful to begin with) - if you have the chance to pick it up second-hand I’d encourage you to see if you can finish it.

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            she was an asshole back then and you can see it all over her books. i think i was probably lucky enough to be a bit older than the target demo to find HP even remotely interesting but kids at the time were super generous and kind with the books and interpreted them in good ways that jowling kowling rowling clearly never intended. which is why she retconned diversity into her books for example.

            i completely believe in the death of the author, but also won’t stand for praising a shitty author’s shitty books just because people headcanoned a lot of good things into it to make them suck less.

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              Honestly, I read the books translated + I could not and still cannot relate with the issues that I often see raised against the book (like the way diversity is represented). Especially when I was a kid, those issues were so not in my mind that I would never ever flag as issues.

              To make an example: for me as a kid, slavery was something that mostly had to do with the roman empire. The whole debacle about house elves etc. is completely disconnected from real societal probelsm, recent history etc. I have always rooted for the elves because that’s what I was pushed to do emotionally, but without really ever reflecting on slavery as a whole. I am picking this example because it’s one of the most used ones to critique the book.

              In general I also believe that authors can build worlds that do not represent their views, I find a lot of the critique I have read a stretch and I am especially suspicious that most of these critiques started appearing recently. I believe people started with the thesis (she is an asshole) and then backtracked the analysis trying to find anything at all in the books that could support the conclusion (rather than viceversa).

              Either way, all of this is relatively irrelevant. People can like or dislike books - especially fiction - freely. For me the book is mostly associated with a vibe of being young, thinking about those stories, relating with the characters etc., not with the actual books content. So it’s more about thinking back of childhood/past than appreciating the literary value.

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                well the critique is not about the world building. i mean the world building is bad too but that’s not about the morality of the world. the critique is about what the books present as good or bad.

                there are many examples of this.

                body shaming and misogyny/transphobia: bad people are fat, good people are at most “plump”. bad women have mannish features, like big physiques, square jaws and mustaches.

                slavery is good, actually: the problem with slavery in the books isn’t that it’s portrayed at all, it’s that it’s portrayed as good for the house elves except for one weirdo freak who wants to be free for some reason. also house elves even as a term is yikes imo.

                zero concern for diversity: it’s not that the book just lacks it but the fact that the very few token characters who were put in are just cardboard cutouts with downright disrespectful names. the Asian girl is cho chang because i think the editor may have vetoed the first ch-ch name she came up with. the black guy is called kingsley shacklebolt because “tyrone escapedslave” was too on the nose i guess. the british wizarding school is for some reason more populous than schools that represent much larger populations, and it has a proper name while all others are called “wizard school” or “magic place” very badly translated because she couldn’t be fucked to engage with another culture even on a surface level. she also disrespectfully dismissed some regional beliefs about magic because why not.

                good people vs bad people, not good deeds vs bad deeds: you can see throughout the book “good” and “bad” people doing the exact same things but represented as good and bad depending on who’s doing them, not what they’re doing.

                status quo above all: challenging systemic problems is never as solution, including slavery, and changed must only involve individuals. whatever you may gather as “challenging authority” for example is always about the people using the authority, and not whether the authority should exist at all. the main protagonist becomes a fucking cop at the end. and the books end in literally everything being the same as it started sans the threat of voldy and “all is well” despite the same abusive systems, castes and slavery still existing. because status quo is good and systemic change is bad.

                it keeps going, and it gets worse is you go beyond the HP books. it’s not what’s in the world, it’s how she presents them.

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          And I can acknowledge that while also having nostalgia for books that I grew up with as a literal child. Judge away.

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        Even the original cast don’t support hp anymore because they aren’t a bunch of assholes and don’t have rocks for brains.

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        I disagree. Sometimes you can’t separate the art from the artist when they are actively using their wealth and influence to oppress an already marginalized group. Just take a look at what recently happened and is happening to Tesla.

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        But by consuming Harry Potter IP, you’re actively putting money in her pocket, which she uses for her anti trans cause. Unless you pirate the content

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          Anecdote: As a member of the generation that grew up with HP, no one I know is supporting the IP financially. We grew up with the books and movies and that’s it. This is just one of many cultural issues that’s dividing the left. Cool I guess?

          Edit: typos

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          There hasn’t been a new Harry Potter book in decades, and Fantastic Beasts basically took cyanide when Crimes of Grindelwald came out, only thing keeping this franchise alive is fanfics

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            Lots of people still watch the movies on streaming. As little as a few weeks ago, my wife suggested we should watch one of the movies. She has no particular contact with the LGBTQ+ society, and didn’t know anything about JK Rowlings behaviour. I’ve had a few colleagues that are gay, but I never had meaningful exposure to the queer community either, until I stumbled into roller derby a decade ago.

            So I assume a lot of people watch HP, not of malice, but unknowingly or with indifference to who JK Rowling is as a person

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              I still have people swearing to me that she “Supports the trans community” and “Donates money to pro-trans causes” and that people are “targetting her unfairly”

              Sad thing is, they’re being serious and arguing in what they believe is good faith. They legitimately don’t realize who she is, they’re too smitten by the debunked story of a homeless woman who wrote Harry Potter on old napkins.

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            The game was pretty successful financially, although it luckily wasn’t at all able to stay culturally relevant and there is a new hbo show coming out soon that was even promoted by german state media.

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      Someone dear to me is heartbroken and perennially conflicted because she absolutely loved Harry Potter growing up, and is also keenly aware of how shitty JK Rowling is. Now as an adult the Harry Potter franchise is one of the things that gives her joy in an otherwise very hard life she has had.

      I’m not giving any more details about her. All I’m asking is, give these people a break, please. Not everyone is in a position in life to be an activist on everything, and while it might sound silly, things like HP are a big part of some people’s childhoods and taking those away from them can be devastating.

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        Got kids? Percy Jackson (and the other Rick Riordan written) series are great. Older kids? Get them reading chuck wendig or Margaret Killjoy.

        Introduce yourself to Kafka and Marquez and Butler and Morrison and so many other great great writers who make JK Rowling look like the utter hack she is.

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          I just finished The Staircase In The Woods by Chuck Wendig. Holy shit, what an epic book. I am going to read more Chuck because I loved it so much.

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          Margaret Killjoy

          Definitely seconding this recommendation. I’ve really liked Margarets Killjoy’s more adult sci-fi/fantasy output, for a long time. The Free Orcs of Cascadia is a personal favorite.

          But she recently wrote a YA fantasy novel called The Sapling Cage which is really wonderful.

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            THE GIRL FROM BEHIND THE BASTARDS?!

            (Actually legit the only place I’ve ever heard of her. I will have to look into her writing!)

        • Honestly, just pick up any other book and give it a go, if that doesn’t work drop it and pick up another one. Nothing depresses me more than those people - adults - who finish reading the last Harry Potter book and then pick up the first one and start over again. I’ve heard nothing but good things about Rick Riordan as far as getting kids into reading, that all happened a little after my time though (and I was already big into reading as a kid)

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          YES!

          The books are also good, but very different. The show creators made an excellent adaptation of the world and its energy and feeling, but changed characters and plot to something more suitable for a show. Both are great though.

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        If anyone wants a suggestion may I suggest Yojou Senki/The Saga of Tanya the Evil, it’s really good once you get past the fact that the English version devolves into technical documents at times. But the author apparently plays Hoi3, which honestly explains a lot about the books in general.

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          Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy Trilogy *

          ~* All five of them. Six if you count Mostly Harmless.~

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              1. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
              2. The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
              3. Life, the Universe and Everything
              4. So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish
              5. Young Zaphod Plays it Safe
              6. Mostly Harmless

              This is according to The Ultimate Hitchhiker’s Guide from 1996. I will certainly be checking out And Another Thing.

              ~So I guess there are seven books to the trilogy.~

              Edit: Ooooh, that explains it. And Another Thing wasn’t written by Adams. No wonder I never heard of it.

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        As someone who doesn’t have the nostalgia goggles for HP, it’s always insane to me how many adults still love that shit. They’re YA novels… Like read a grown-up book, and maybe you’ll realize how mediocre they were.

        It’s like Disney Adults…

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          Not even a grown-up book! Read a different magical fantasy book aimed at children or teenagers. And see how good those are, too. Many of them were written before Harry Potter.

          I do think HP is good at the pacing and mystery aspect of it. The magical world isn’t really that alluring, unless you are a 12 year old kid in 2001 who never read another book until now.

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        Yeah it’s wild looking at the books with adult eyes at the house elves and goblins and so on.

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        I had someone recommend Rivers of London as an alternative magic learning protag series, and I’m enjoying it, but it’s more noir detective than Harry Potter. Which works in its favor IMO.

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    Aside from hurting Trans people, these things hurt women both those afab or not, and given the numbers of each group they end up hurting way, way, way more cisgender women. So every opportunity, every interview with Rowling, every comment on a tweet to her should be “What happened that made you hate women this much?”.

    I mean it’s sad that she can’t love the trans, but if that was just a prrsonal dislike, ok everyone has barely rational likes and dislikes, can’t be helped. But to make that public, and then to go to these lengths, to sacrifice the safety of all women on the altar of that hate and fear, that is truly sick and sickening.

    So the question is “JO, WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN???”

    Because because of her hate mongering, women are getting in trouble and often beat up for going to the bathroom, get humiliated by having to “prove” they’re “real” women to pushy agressive bigots. I fully expect one day to lose my job and end up in jail for beating up some such asshole who thinks they should humiliate my wife or daughters that way.

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      The greatest achievement of gender critical ideology is getting women to voluntarily give men jurisdiction to police their bodies and presentation. To the Rowlings and Parkers, any number of cisgender women hurt by their ideology is worth it in their quest of erasing trans people out of public life.

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    It amazes me how some people just refuse to put their money to anything actually useful.

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      If I had money, I promise I’d do something useful with it. Like putting up a shed in my garden.

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        In addition to the shed you already have? If so, I must ask: Are you, in fact, Arthur “Two Sheds” Jackson?

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          I am not, but can you lend me a bob until next Thursday to mend the shed? I am expecting a postal order and can pay you back as soon as it comes. Love, Ewan.

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            I’d love to, but unfortunately have recently committed all my available funds to a business venture in Nigeria, and I’m currently awaiting the results. Once that is resolved, I’m expecting to have significant financial flexibility, and at that point, I would be in a much better position to lend.

            Take care, Ken Shabby (deceased)

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              The story so far: Rosamund’s father has become ensnared by Mr. Shabby’s extraordinary personal magnetism. Bob and Janet have eaten Mr. Farquar’s goldfish during an Oxfam lunch, and Mrs. Elsmore’s marriage is threatened by Doug’s insistence that he is on a different level of consciousness. Louise’s hernia has been confirmed, and Jim, Bob’s brother, has run over the editor of the ‘Lancet’ on his way to see Jenny, a freelance Pagoda designer. On the other side of the continent Napoleon still broods over the smoldering remains of a city he had crossed half the earth to conquer…

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    What a miserable person. More money than God and all she can do is sit around hating people she’s never met.

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    I saw this getting up votes in a conservative comm. Makes me sick.

    In this comm it feels like actual news, being notified of things that happen in the world. Upvoting it feels like "more people should know that this is happening"kinda thing.

    But in a comm dedicated to the GQP? There it feels like an upvote is a sign of approval or agreement.

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    Fucking god, she’s still doing this shit? She’s going to turn her franchise into another Tesla.

  • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ@lemm.ee
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    but we are still not ok with bashing the fans/consumer that gave her the money despite the stories being flatter than brothers grim wiping their ass? i really think harry potter fans are the problem.

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    She’s such a scumbag. Had it all and ruined her name and art for what? To be hateful? Shame on her and shame on HBO for handing her more money and fueling her hate.

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    What a miserable person. I can’t imagine having her wealth and using it to try to hurt people.

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      I can think of quite a few people that I would go out of my way to destroy.

      Starting with a few politicians.

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        But you’d possibly be making life better for people in general, depending on which politicians you chose to destroy (and in what way you destroyed them.)

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    It’s one thing to still support someone despite them having some problematic opinions on the side. I do it, you probably do it, it annoys the shit out of me to know that this thing that I like is made by someone who shares opinion with which I strongly disagree with, sometimes that are even against me, personally, as a trans person.

    But not understanding something, being ignorant and being kind of an asshole about it, is very different than what this hateful bitch is doing. She has dedicated her entire life to make people like me fucking miserable. And it’s working!

    I’m having a very hard time reconciling the fact that lots of people love Harry Potter and some people in my entourage are the same and they will support and pay for stuff made by this horrendous person regardless because this universe means that much to them. My sister is like that. I’m having a very hard time with that. I don’t want to be that person… but fuck this hurts.

    The worst part is that most people don’t know about it. Most people don’t know how much of a hateful, awful person J.K. Rowling is. And I have to admit, those people in my life, I’m genuinely afraid of telling them. Because I know that there is a chance that I’ll tell them everything, and that in the end, they won’t change a thing. Because my rights as a human being matters less to them. And I don’t want to find that out…

    I hate everything about this.

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      First, let me start with saying I am sorry. Currently, the world seems very preoccupied with cocks and vagina’s and who should have what. (Kinda weird, but yeah).

      I love Harry Potter. It was the first series of books that really resonated with me. It is really sad to see that someone, who came from nothing and gained it all. Could live the dream, have all the money and affection, is such a massive cunt.

      Yet somehow, it doesn’t make me stop loving Harry Potter. When reading the books again, it reminds me of my childhood. Me reading at 2:00 in the morning underneath the blankets with a pocket light in me mouth to not let anyone know I am not sleeping. Daydreaming about such a world where magic exist.

      The solution, I am afraid, is something I cannot provide. Money buys news, news poisons the minds. I stand for humanity, and all humans. No matter which configuration. And if someone wants to have a nice pair of tits and cunt instead of a dick, go on and have your merry life.

      I don’t know if this is helpful or not. What is your solution?

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        I don’t know, there’s a lot of racism and anti-Semitism in those books as well. I mean the money obsessed long nose goblins? Cho Chang?

        They’re good stories, but they do reflect the work of a fundamentally biggoted author.

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          In general the entire series is mean-spirited. You can see the roots of Rowling’s hate in how she describes any of the series antagonists.

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      It is important to separate art and artist.

      People get a lot of comfort out of religious text knowing next to nothing about the author(s).

      This also means you can hate on JK Rowling without making any connection to HP.

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          If you are going down that road then there are much big targets to aim at. Are you also applying the same anger (and logic) to organised religion?

          The same arguments apply and they are multiple times more powerful than Rowling.

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            Yeah okay, you are not being genuine. That much is clear now. This is a post about J. K. Rowling using profits from her IP to fund transphobia. People run in to defend the franchise, we try to explain how giving her money means more policies against us is bad, and then you object to that?

            Ofc we are talking about HP in the HP post. Why would I talk about religion here? She gave a significant meaningful amount of money to fund hate against me, and she continues to be influential and use her and her IPs popularity to make peoples lives harder.

            Why do you think I don’t speak up against any church or organization funding hate and bigotry? You are not being genuine.

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              giving her money means more policies against us is bad, and then you object to that?

              No, you went further and are hating on people liking HP. You are attacking the art not the artist. I am defending art in general. I am not defending Rowling at all or encouraging funding for her. Everyone should pirate anything HP related.

              Why would I talk about religion here?

              Because you are confusing the art and the artist. That precedent should not be allowed no matter the topic. (By equating religion to art I can make my point quicker. Note I’m not choosing any religion in particular)

              Why do you think I don’t speak up against any church or organization funding hate and bigotry?

              Do you also try to stop people from believing in that religion? From reading those religious books? No. The art is separate.

              You are not being genuine.

              I’m highlighting how art and artist are separate. No-one should feel guilty about enjoying a fictional book.

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            For me the whole IP has been so tainted by her behavior that I can’t even enjoy it if I didn’t pay. I get a gross feeling from it, like I’ve stepped directly into some filthy place and must be careful not to let anything touch me.

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        It is important to separate art and artist.

        I completely disagree, both on a subjective selfish aesthetic level, and on a moral level.

        On the aesthetic side, you’re doing yourself a huge disservice by making this separation. You’re missing out on this whole other dimension a piece of art has to offer you; namely the context that the author operates in. Star Wars gains this whole other rich level of interpretation if you consider the fact that George Lucas lived through the invasion of Vietnam and other forms of US imperialism and completely opposes it, for example. You’re missing out by ignoring the author.

        On the moral side, the argument is more obvious, I think. By ignoring the author you’re denying yourself the opportunity to spend your money and support folks in a way that aligns with your own morals. In my case, I consider trans people people, and think they deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. Since I know J K Rowling completely disagrees, I know that if I spend money on her, I will be putting money in the pocket of someone, and platforming them, who actively works against my morals. And I’m thankful for being able to know that spending money on her goes counter to my own morality.

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          Obviously if the authors views are reflected in the work then there isn’t a separation. HP is badly written with many failings, but it is enjoyable and not anti-trans itself. The art does not reflect the beliefs of the author.

          On the moral side, no money needs to be given directly or indirectly to Rowling.

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            The art does not reflect the beliefs of the author.

            It really does though. The moral universe of Harry Potter says a lot about J K Rowling as a person, and there are many parallels with her own life. Morality in the Harry Potter universe is not inherent to an action, but to an actor. Is bullying bad? Depends on who does it. If a bad guy does it (for example the Dursleys), then it’s bad. If a good guy does it (Hagrid), then it’s good! There’s a parallel with the abolition of slavery about half way through the series, and it’s only one character doing it, and they’re the butt of the joke. And of course there’s Cho Chang and Blackie Shackleslave or whatever she called the one black character. The work speaks volumes about her, and vice versa. And you’re depriving yourself of this deeper level of analysis. You’re missing out.

            There’s a YouTuber called Shaun who’s done a thorough analysis of her work and its parallels with her dealings with nazis and fellow transphobes. It’s worth a watch.

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        You can separate the art from the artist for sure but when people are buying HP branded stuff, they are directly contributing to this.

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            I’ll admit this is easier for me because I was never a huge HP fan. But I don’t even pirate it because I don’t want to increase its cultural impact. I don’t even want to seed the torrent, and leeches suck. I want Harry Potter to disappear because even after Rowling dies, the profits will go towards a transphobic foundation.

            In some cases piracy increases total revenue by getting more people interested in the product.

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              The product itself isn’t bad. But you do have a point.

              Let’s compare Orsen Scott Card and Rowling. I’m never going to be pressured into taking kids to an Enders Game theme park, but piracy will make Univeral theme parks (and therefore Rowling) lots more money. Disney made more money from selling Churros than streaming.

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      I think that you shouldn’t tell people to stop enjoying what they love but to stop buying and funding her campaign.

      It is hard to convince people to give up on their interests but it is reasonable to tell them where the money goes.

      I myself I am mostly pirating all stuff. I could even help someone pirate it and do it for them. I think they would understand and agree to it. I would add that If they buy something from hp we are not friends anymore but if you ask me to pirate it then we could watch it together.

      I wouldn’t think bad about people who are hp fans as they aren’t Rowling fans so to say usually, just help them pirate things.

      That seems like a healthy way to think about it.