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    “The Republicans are the problem.” (actually fair)

    “The democrats are the problem.”

    “The [insert dice roll here] are the problem.”

    It’s more complicated than one or another. So taking into account that all parties are currently “the problem” with Republicans being absolutely 100% on top of the fuck off list of naughty naysayers, I argue that YOU are also the problem, my dear voter.

    So look, Lemmy is a leftist, and to some degree, progressive vacuum consumed by a desire to see better days. We have our trickle-in bright red-orange tarts to displace some sentiment, though mostly we all want similar things. The problem though is that we are all just too fucking opinionated on precisely where and how to do “it”. Like fuck, guys, here’s our narrative:

    "Biden Harris is a good bad mediocre handicapped stable president old man who had a cold raspy voice that still answered, didn’t answer, could have answered, more harder faster. His policies are good great bad awful, work, and we need to get him back into office, probably, maybe, someone else, not Trump.

    You all collectively sounding like a certain riddle-giving Statue guarding a mad tyrants vault.

    We fucking agree on so god. damned. much. But like fuck all if all of you aren’t so hung up on the petty details and discourse within your own neigh disillusionment that you can’t help but yell at one another over stupid bullshit.

    Shut up and come together for fucking once. Because if there is one thing the right has that ANY group left of the bipartisan line doesn’t have, it’s the ability to hate each other and still act together when the stakes are the highest.

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    The single next thing Trump could do for our country is to drop dead of a heart attack 2 days before election day.

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    Kind of hard to deal with the problem when the democrats insist on using the weakest tools to fight back.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    And the storm of white-hot criticism that rained down on his head from friends and foes alike after the 2024 election’s embarrassing and disastrous first presidential TV debate with Donald Trump was blistering.

    The other is that Trump, wholly lacking in principle and propriety, is a hate-spewing ethical vacuum who will stop at nothing to get elected – and, if allowed back into the Oval Office, will launch a reign of revenge.

    For real-time as opposed to prime-time insight into the Trump menace, consider the testimony of John Kelly, his longest-serving White House chief of staff – a man who watched him up close daily.

    They include deportations of millions of undocumented migrants, a sweeping, global trade war-triggering 10% tax on imports, unlimited oil drilling, the abandonment of Ukraine to Russia and the evisceration of Nato.

    The debate not only highlighted Trump’s unchanged, unhinged behaviour, it also underscored fundamental constitutional problems that have enabled this lowlife to move within touching distance of the world’s most powerful job once more.

    Thanks to the anachronistic electoral college, unbalanced bodies such as the Senate (where each of the 50 states has two representatives regardless of population size) and lifetime appointments of federal judges and supreme court justices, political minorities wield disproportionate power.


    The original article contains 975 words, the summary contains 208 words. Saved 79%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    America’s big problem is not Joe Biden, it’s the menace to democracy posed by Donald Trump

    It’s neither, the problem is the illusion that we call democracy, and the compromises we (the people, not the rulers, of course) are told we have to make in order to maintain it (AKA the status quo) despite it being designed to keep us down (again, by providing an illusion of choice) rather than serve us.

    As another person already said - trump is just a symptom, it is the system that enables and encourages his existence, and it is the system that needs to be abolished if the working class is to ever have a shot at justice, equity, and equality.

    Articles like this are acts of systemic self defence - deflection to keep us looking at the illusion instead of the reality.

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    Don’t vote for the man, vote for the administration. The Trump administration will be evil incarnate and absolutely the end American democracy.

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      If the election were between trump and another sack of shit, I would vote for the non-human looking sack of shit.

      Biden may not be perfect, but he’s way better than a facist sack of shit.

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      That’s absolutely why some can comfortably vote Trump. Don’t vote for the man, vote for the administration.

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        Do you think Trump 1 and Biden 2? Or did we forget about the Genocide thing again?

        Just keep ignoring that elephant in the room. It’s not Fascism if you don’t believe Palestinians are human!

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          Biden: I’m going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians

          Trump: I’m going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians and I’m going to egg them on while doing that and block other countries from helping

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            Biden: I’m giving billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians and am blocking other countries from helping

            Trump: I’m going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians and I’m going to egg them on while doing that and block other countries from helping

            FTFY.

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          So many people keep arguing past each other on this because there are 2 truths and each side sees their 1 truth as the end-all.

          1. Genocide is bad. Biden isn’t doing enough to stop Israel. But, Trump would accelerate it. And also do more genocide here too.
          2. We have a FPTP voting system meaning the first candidate across the line wins, so you either vote for A or B. If you abstain from voting or vote 3rd party it does not make any difference whatsoever to the outcome because it is still who crosses the line first. So you have to decide which of the 2 you want, or which of the 2 you DON’T want. And vote accordingly.

          Everyone declaring “Genocide Joe” and voting 3rd party is missing the point that doing that could let Trump win. And that would be FAR worse.

          And everyone declaring “Blue no matter who” and demonizing the people that want the genocide to end are missing the point that our system is fucked and does not represent us and both candidates are bad. Both candidates are right wing and our country WANTS someone on the left that represents the people, but we simply don’t have that.

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          Do you really believe fucking Trump as president will be better for Palestine? At least Biden (unsuccessfully) tried to get a cease fire going. Trump would probably nuke Palestine himself.

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            I’m sorry I missed the part where Joe Biden who sent 24 Billion in weapons, actively supports israel with military intelligence, defends them against retaliation, supplies them with weapons by bypassing congress and using secret loopholes, is not complicit.

            Can you tell me more about Donald Trump though. I never knew that Biden’s Fascism was excused by the existence of Trump.

            You guys really care a lot about Palestine you’re all such experts on how Joe Biden is preventing the Genocide from happening there.

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              And you all care so fucking much about Palestine now that it’s a convenient cudgel to beat someone with. You don’t care now and you didn’t care then you just want to score your little debate points from mommies basement.

              Fucking waste of space if you care so much go do something about it because no U.S. president is going to do anything.

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                All that’s needed is people not denying Biden is doing Fascism already. Just be honest.

                Raising awareness for people that are in denial and sticking their head in the sand is what’s needed for Palestine.

                Or do you think Palestinians are going to be really happy with Biden getting another term without having made any concessions and fully backed israel through the entire Genocide?

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                  Biden is doing Fascism already

                  I’m not sure he is.

                  Please define Fascism in the context that you believe Biden is doing. Be specific, I won’t engage with vaguery or hyperbole.

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                  All that’s needed is people not denying Biden is doing Fascism already. Just be honest.

                  Ok. Joe Biden’s policy on Palestine is disgraceful.

                  What now?

                  Did we fix it?

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          “What I said very plainly is get it over with, and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a very simple statement. Get it over with. They’ve got to finish what they finish. They have to get it done. Get it over with, and get it over with fast, because we have to, you have to get back to normalcy and peace,” Trump told The Hugh Hewitt Show.

          Trump noted, “They’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”

          Trump continued arguing Israel had an issue with its public messaging and said, “Israel is absolutely losing the PR war.”

          “And the other thing is I hate, they put out tapes all the time. Every night, they’re releasing tapes of a building falling down. They shouldn’t be releasing tapes like that. They’re doing, that’s why they’re losing the PR war. They, Israel is absolutely losing the PR war,” Trump said.

          https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html

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      Let’s assume what you’re saying is true. Why has Biden’s administration ignored his own voters on the genocide taking place in Palestine? Why has his administration vetoed the UN council now 12 times since 2020 now relating to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Why did Biden’s administration pressure Robert Kur to revise his report in his classified documents investigation saying that Biden’s poor memory wasn’t supported by facts? Why did his administration push through with him as a candidate and not work to find a different candidate before now?

      Instead I got Photoshopped images of Biden in sunglasses and a bunch of fake PR making it seem like Biden was as nimble as ever. You know what happened? I ended up becoming part of the Biden cult. After seeing his debate, what his administration is planning to do in 2024 is elder abuse. Biden needs to step aside immediately. I can’t believe people discussing anything else right now. You say democracy is on the line but his administration has made one terrible mistake after another. I’m sick of it. They want democracy then he can step down and put his support behind someone else. Otherwise I’m done with it. If his administration doesn’t act like democracy is on the line, then why should I?

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        If you do not vote, or vote for anyone other than whatever Democrat is on the ticket, Palestinian will be fully wiped out or forced to live in an open air prison the size of a postage stamp, Ukraine will be steam rolled over, Americans who are not straight, white and faux-Christian will be third tier citizens, and American democracy will be dead, forever. Go sell your bullshit to someone else. I have seen too much shit to fall for such a weak and obvious maneuver.

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          Yeah okay. Well 2016 happened where DNC did something similar which is why you ever got Trump. Now they’ve been up to the same tactics and you’ll get him again if Biden doesn’t step down. Go ahead and give yourself a big pat on the back and say… “I’m doing it. I’m helping Trump get reelected”

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            He should have made it clear that he would not seek a second term. Instead he pulled a RBG (she refused to retire when Obama asked her). We are now basically four months from election day and that ship has sailed. All we can do is vote D no matter what. Don’t confuse me doing what must be done with pride and “patting myself on the back”. His ego fucked us and now we have to deal with the mess…again. Thankfully, with the exception of their support for Israel’s genocidal campaign, his administration has been quite competent.

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    Donald Trump being a menace to democracy was in Bidens lap at the very start of his term, rallying an attempt to violently overthrow the election. And Biden, the new head of the executive branch, the branch of enforcing the law, just did nothing about it. And nothing about his many crimes beforehand, the documented collusion with Russians, blackmailing Ukraine to interfere in the election, the obstruction of justice, the assassination of Epstein. Trump wasnt held accountable and it was Bidens job to hold him to account. And now here we are.

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          Idiotic comment on this, the day that the Supreme Cunts decided that the prez can do whatever the fuck he wants as long as it’s an “official act”.

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    Interesting headline - its disconnected from the content of the article. Most of it is about how broken the US electoral system is.

    The important point is that an electoral and political system that was designed to protect from the “tyranny of the majority” has instead created a system perpetuating the tyranny of the minority.

    Americans are indoctrinated to think theirs in the greatest country on earth from a very young age. But the political system is an absolute mess - the electoral college, the senate (which is totally skewed in favour of small states), the supreme court and politicised legal system, and the embedded 2 party system.

    Trump isn’t a threat to democracy. Democracy in the US has been dead for a long while now. It vaguely worked when there was a post war consensus but now it’s completely log jammed. And nobody has a plan to fix it because they can’t.

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      What the ruling class wants you to believe is that they have the ability to subjugate everyone. The heart of power will always be with the people. Despite whatever military force or technology they think is under their control. They keep us glued to a screen and at odd with each other hoping we will never harness that power.

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    Diaper Retard Hitler will kill the Western world as we know it, and the only other option we present to you is a man who is too old and senile to hand out werther’s originals by himself.

    Civilization is a lost cause.

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    Well the orange fuck just became an even bigger problem thanks to his pocket-justices.

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    THE PROBLEM IS FUCKING PROPAGANDA RUNNING RAMPANT!!

    we would LITERALLY not have to deal with Trump if Newsmax, OANN, Fox, and their like weren’t allowed to just lie and specifically aim to enrage the population. They hide behind the “opinion” designation of their show but act like it’s news, or they admit it’s opinion and claim it’s opinion entirely based on “facts.”

    The reason Trump exists in the form that he does, with the support that he does is 110% at the feet of the fucking propaganda that gives him cover.

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      we would LITERALLY not have to deal with Trump if Newsmax, OANN, Fox, and their like weren’t allowed to just lie

      Okay, but while we’re rounding them up for the gulags, can we sweep through and pick out all the fuckwits at NYT, WaPo, WSJ, and The Economist that were insisting Joe Biden was our Last Best Hope To Save Democracy and Actually Whip Smart And Totally Ready To Lead? Hell, even NPR gets in on this shit, and its supposed to be the nice polite republican media rather than the frothing bomb-everyone-that-criticizes-Israel news outlet.

      The reason Trump exists in the form that he does, with the support that he does is 110% at the feet of the fucking propaganda that gives him cover.

      Trump is the direct result of Republican rhetoric outrunning its own policy. For the last 40 years, we’ve been told that immigration is the root of every problem in the country - from bloated budgets to housing crises to drug use to violent crime to COVID. And as things keep getting worse, and immigration keeps getting blamed, the only conclusion Americans are allowed to make is that they’re not hard enough on migrants.

      The celebrity candidacy of Trump was made possible by a news media fixated on the opulence of rich white guys, a conservative leadership that saw enormous profits in using migrant laborers to supplant labor unions, and an aging American public with a Pavlovian hatred of brown people. (And also, Hilary Clinton backing him in the GOP primary because she thought he’d be easy to beat).

      But the real root of the problem is our national fixation on scapegoating. If Trump hadn’t won in 2016, it could just as easily have been Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio, both of whom are perfectly happy with our home grown brand of fascist tendency. They’re riding the same Hate Wave as Trump, he just did it better.

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      Yup. Decades of conservative propaganda calling Democrats the enemies for no specific reason. Republicans have been brainwashed 100%. No sane human being would ever fucking vote for trump.

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      We wouldn’t have to deal with trump had it not been for Clinton’s Pied Piper strategy. That’s the sole reason he’s in politics.

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    I think Brandon should fuck off. But i am 100% voting for him and it should be plain as day that while he is declining, he is nonetheless leagues superior to a fascist traitor.

    Of course trump is an existential threat. Brandon is just a basic problem.

    Brandon 2024. Fuck the republican traitor filth.

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      I hear ya and I guess Im doing the same… But jesus fucking christ is it hard to imagine voting for that walking corpse after the debate. I’m wondering if it’s somehow in the playbook that Democrats secretly want to lose. If we’re not in a cult of personality it should be a no brainer to replace the candidate.

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        He’s doing really well in the job and at the debate his answers were good, if you only pay attention to the least important thing then yeah he was low energy.

        It’s like picking race car drivers, one is a great driver but the other has a racing stripe…

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      Brah… Commander in Chief is a huge responsibility. That man has access to the nuclear football. That is NOT a basic problem. The Dems as a whole can’t even geopolitic.

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      For a while I was like “ok they’re both old, but Biden has more than just yes men around him.”

      After hearing about Bidens capacity being limited to 10am-4pm… Wtf? What happens at 8pm when some emergency happens? The president may have advisors, but he makes the final call.

      Obviously I’m not voting for Trump, but that doesn’t change the fact that we’re kinda fucked no matter what

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      Brandon also filled his administration with a competent team of non-fascists and none of his relatives.

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            Doesn’t take much attention to see his dogshit vice president, which extra sucks because democrats have decided that the vice president automatically gets to be picked as the presidential nominee for the next available election.

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          Yeah they’re not talking about it nearly as much as they should cause their spokespeople are asleep at the wheel.

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    No, it’s Joe Biden. Republicans are total pieces of shit, but they wear their shit on their sleeve. People like Joe Biden Company or like snakes in the grass that hide among us claiming to be our ally. The Joe Biden we saw at the debates was the Joe Biden that the DNC has known about for years yet they still pushed him as their preferred candidate and refusing to primary him. Not allowing voters a right to choose who they would like to elect is not democratic

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      The neolibs don’t like when you point out the dems just throw pride flag stickers on the bombs they sell to Israel.

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    I think the Democrat party is a problem for pushing forward candidates that suck. There no way Trump wins in 2016 if he was going against somebody that was actually popular.

    I am getting serious 2016 vibes this cycle. Biden should never have run a second time. And after that debate performance it feels like continuing with Biden is just as big of a mistake.

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        I get that, but part of the issue is optics. The Democratic party can easily promote the narrative that “progressive” ideals are not far left.

        Hillary Clinton said in a debate that Medicare for all will never be implemented. She didn’t say that because she believed it, or even that she wanted it to be true. She said it because her opponent was running on that platform and gaining a massive following of mainstream voters as a result.

        The party needs to quit reacting when Republicans say they are “far left” and instead fight to control the narrative. I guarantee the “old and conservative” democratic voters would follow suit if the party pushed for it.

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      There no way Trump wins in 2016 if he was going against somebody that was actually popular.

      No way he would have won the primary without Hilary’s Pied-Piper Strategy

      This isn’t even entirely an optics problem. Democrats in leadership believe they are best served when they are the centrist running against fascism rather than a progressive running against some boilerplate business conservative. So they actively encourage the freaks in the GOP while fighting tooth and nail to keep greens and socialists off their end of the ballot

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        Democrats are so afraid of being called “Far Left” that they end up being much further right than most Democrat’s want. Fact is, progressive democrats aren’t even “Far Left”. They need to quit playing onto they narrative cause it’s not true.

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          They are a center right party…of course they don’t want to be called progressive…