Brits: this is what will happen if you let Farage in.
Act now to prevent it.
In addition, the Secretary of Defense may employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion.
As I understand, this is not a thing the regular Armed Forces can do, correct? I thought that only the National Guard could conduct non-training operations on US soil and/or against US citizens, barring an invasion or secession. Does anyone know more than me about this?
Yes. Out of the federal military branches, only the coast guard can: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Too bad it’s a fact
This is the beginning of a nation wide revolution, from the democrats, but the republicans are not sad about it because it push the public away. They forget, or look to California, that Trump is incompetent and they vote him. It would not be the first President, that call demonstrates criminals or revolutionary’s and hunt them, to form a autocratic State…
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They are also VERY sharp (ceramic fragments) so wear cutproof gloves
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The country was in peril; he was jeopardizing his traditional rights of freedom and independence by daring to exercise them.
- Catch-22, Joseph Heller
Can California please just withhold taxes already and put this country out of its misery?
They can’t, you pay taxes directly to the government.
There are plenty of ways around that, but it requires actual rebellion.
That’s not completely true.
Your employer withholds your federal taxes from your paycheck.
The state of California employs a lot of people. The state can intercept those funds, refusing to send them to the IRS. That obviously only affects state employees, but it is feasible.
The state could go on to act as a staffing agency, “hiring” workers whose labor is then contracted to private businesses. The state would then be doing the withholding for their employees, and the business would be contracting with the state.
Yep. Totally true. You are born, and the taxes are automatically deducted from your existence. There is no way for a state to change the amount paid, or to whom the taxes are paid. Absolutely impossible.
I’m all for CA residents paying their federal taxes to the state, but that’s going to require a lot of faith that the state will protect them from the feds.
our national guard and armed forces have a decision to make: us or them. this is your time to reject fascism.
Many who join lean conservative. Many are trump supporters. Don’t forget the numbers that voted for him and continue to support him.
It’s not going to be that easy.
2020 was the first time in decades that the military tilted blue.
Not really. The military is a lot more diverse than you probably realize. It’s a big melting pot. So many stories of rural Americans raised in racist environments joining the military and being exposed to all kinds of people and realizing they grew up kind of fucked up.
Contrary to what the stereotype is. A lot of military people are pretty wise and worldly. Seeing different cultures and having to deal with the fallout of failed states. It’s not like they’re progressives or even Lefty’s. But they’re not MAGA or right either.
This is why they’ve been firing lots of officers as well. If nobody is aware, the trump government has been removing many many senior leadership in the military.
I think the move right now by the left is to build bridges for people on the right who have spent their life fearing this type of action. Need to leave open the possibility that there are people on the right who understand this isn’t good. Obviously there’s the trump zealots. But I bet there’s a group of right wingers whose fear of government over reach supersedes support for Trump. Groups like the heritage foundation will increase not activity to suppress that mentally among them. But I think we’ll start seeing them speak up if we listen.
You might be right, and I hope you are. But I’m also at least partially right too. There are far right conservatives in the military, many of them (even if not the majority, a big enough minority).
The main sentiment of my comment was people like us going about our day to day hoping the military will “do the right thing”, effectively disobey orders maybe? Disobey the president? Isn’t it ingrained into them to not do that?
Its not going to be that easy.
It’s not going to be easy, especially for those individual servicepeople who have to make the decision about whether to follow orders or not.
It’s important to spread the message far and wide that they are not alone, that there is widespread support for them making that decision.
It’s important to spread the message far and wide that they are not alone
This right here. Disobeying orders is hard, and upholding one’s oath when being told from all sides is hard, especially when friends and colleagues are going along with it. You don’t want to be the squeaky wheel who makes trouble for everyone. It can become easy to think that you’re alone if surrounded by people “just following orders.” It’s made harder still when considering that a single morally courageous action can throw away a career and potentially land you in the brig.
Especially when your paycheck and ability to stay free are at stake. I was an enlisted man. We were mostly poor as shit and many times all I had was the comfort i wasn’t in jail. You disobey, you’re on restriction at the very least depending on the scope.
I actually haven’t met many conservative officers.
I have met formally conservative officers.
They have some of the best educations in the country
I dunno about that. I served in the USMC and everyone was pretty left leaning in the sense of “why the fuck do I care about the color of the person covering me, we’re all Marines.”
Many people serving are also minorities from low income, using the military as a step to building a life. Those people didn’t seem Republican to me.
it doesn’t matter how easy or difficult it will be it needs to be done. the alternative is unfathomable.
LoL! Of COURSE they’ll Listen to the Man CUTTING their Benefits and Pay!
Yeah. That’s not a decision we have to worry about. They’ll side with fascism. There is no question here.
Is there a good argument for why any society not in collapse should submit to any “higher” authority?
Welcome to the rebellion.
I’m just waiting for the west coast to break off and do it’s own thing
One can only hope
Imagine California, Oregon, and Washington form a pact, with the Rockies giving them a natural protective barrier. Then they form an alliance with Canada and Mexico, and surround 2/3 of the United States with hostile powers, who also control ALL shipping into the West Coast. If MAGA America wants their goods from Asia, they’ll have to pay California’s tariffs on EVERYTHING.
Or, they could route everything through the Panama Canal, with all the extra costs associated with that. Perhaps CA/OR/WA can form an alliance with Panama, and close it to MAGA America shipping.
That’s honestly the best case scenario. As unlikely as it is.
This country is too big. Too corrupt. And far too corrupted to fix. To begin to fix this country we have to get both houses of congress and the president to overturn Citizens United. Now how many of those people do you think are going to vote to make the bribes being paid to them illegal?
Now if for whatever reason the US was to balkanize. To break up into smaller “nation states”. That would make real change a whole lot more viable.
the best case scenario is the one putin wants? how about we get our shit together, purge the fucking conservatives, and live happily ever after?
Exactly. We can’t just fucking go, “Whelp. All done.” and let trump and Putin destroy the United States.
This point is often dismissed but the United States really does need “a divorce”. At least a return to pre-civil war state sovereignty where incompatible ideologies can each find their home.
I don’t want a soft landing. I want it to crash and burn so hard that the very idea of preserving any part of it is anathema. I want all the corrupt power structures that ruined us to be actively eliminated. Leave the failed experiment where it belongs. In the history books. Learn the lessons of its fall. Make something better. Which is an exceptionally low bar.
It really isn’t hard. Put the welfare of the mass of the people first and foremost. “Mass” meaning the whole. All the people. Otherwise what’s the point of a government at all? Don’t recreate a society of slaves that serves a tiny fraction of a tiny fraction of the most wealthy parasites. Value human life beyond its utility to an oligarchy. Set a floor on standard of life. A base level that people can’t fall below and can build off of. Or not. If they want to just live their life let them.
I guess… Except I would not be able to accept another state just immediately resuming slavery or other terrible shit lol
Wait, your flair says you’re a bot?
What? How the fuck did I get flagged as a bot?
Edit - Whoops. I did that. Yesterday evening. Ticked the box in settings.
LOL
So they fucking should be.
Trump is the only traitor in this picture.
They should be. Meanwhile, the governor, while criticizing Trump, was still whitewashing him when he said he would be willing to work with him. That’s the thing, fascist dictators will fabricate if they are not able to force a situation, and sometimes that’s to handle the situation before it ever gets a chance to materialize. Look at Erdogan and the failed 2016 military coup that basically disarmed any further attempts against him. Trump wants to prevent and punish rebellion because he knows that where he is going to bring the United States is going to instill a lot of it.
States do need to secede, the US is no longer operating within the constitution, it is their only out, and Trump is going to do everything to prevent it. The problem is, a lot of states should be coordinating together on this and falling back to Articles of Confederation between them to retain their autonomy and prevent the subverted military agencies from invading them. It really requires a mindset to resist forcefully if necessary while people are still getting brainwashed through their social network bubbles and the militarized occupation forces are already present. The constitution is no longer in effect, all branches of government are now irrevocably corrupt, and Trump is crowning himself not as a modern king but as the type of king the thirteen colonies rebelled against.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?! I agree with every single comment criticizing the current shitty US leadership.
