I’m actually tired of being blackmailed with fascism.
In my country we had maybe five elections in a row where the premise was “it is us or fascism”. And yes, fascism is there but… COULD YOU ACTUALLY MAKE THINGS GOOD AND WORK FOR IMPROVING YOUR PEOPLE LIVES!!? I don’t want my choice to be die shot down or slowly being impoverished until life is no longer any good. I want to actually have a good life, and enabling “just not fascism ™” is not doing it.
If people win on that type of rhetoric, it means the fascists are part of the electoral strategy, meaning it’s not in their interests for the fascists to go away, because how will they win votes then?
voting is pointless, just reinforces ruling class, you are not subject of social change but an object to manipulate with and blackmail with every mean possible
I have some bad news for you if you think the ruling class gives one wet fart whether or not people vote.
“Not voting” doesn’t matter to a corrupt politician, they don’t care if you stay home. There will never be a voter turnout so low that the ruling class will go “oh shucks, they all stopped voting I guess we have to give up our wealth and power now.”
Voting is not the solution to the problems that plague our society, but just like how putting out a wildfire doesn’t solve climate change, you still put the fire out before it burns a bunch of shit down.
You don’t put the fire out by voting, you put the fire out with guillotines.
It’s also bullshit, but you know that already.
They could have gotten rid of the filibuster. But nope. Just the usual non partisan corporate welfare bills.
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Not voting causes fascism to happen faster.
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Tankies betraying Anarchists instead of fighting fascism.
“Tankies” are largely accelerationists of a few flavors unified by one desire: watch the United States burn to the ground. You shouldn’t take their viewpoint seriously except as adversaries.
God you guys are as obsessed with tankies as republicans are obsessed with trans people.
First, can you define a tankie? Secondly, can you tell me how many tankies you think live in the US?
As did everyone. There’s no study showing that the amount of rapes per soldier by the soviets is higher than that of other nations.
Wow, what an incredibly normal and sane thing to say right at the top of your comment history.
Edit: There’s genocide denial and blaming NATO for Ukraine too. I’m not even slightly surprised. This is what we refer to as “entirely predictable.” Get some fucking help and exit your information silo. I keep my information ecosystem healthy by talking to people IRL, and I recommend you do the same.
“Tankie is when you bring up that Nazi anti-communist propaganda about rapist soviets isn’t scientific”
“Blaming NATO for the invasion of Ukraine is when you say NATO isn’t good and there should be a European military alliance instead while you condemn primarily the Russian Government for the invasion”
“Genocide denial is when you compare the treatment of minorities in the US and in China”
Grow up
My policy when someone throws a big pile of bullshit is to point out one thing, because I don’t want to waste my time.
Blocked.
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Between “Democrats say ‘Vote’” and “Democrats do nothing to fight back,” they didn’t vote in 2016.
This Supreme Court is a result of that inaction.
Congratulations on proving abstention hands the government to Republicans.
Let’s not do that any more.
We had 8 good years before that and didn’t set up any protections.
With a heavily divided legislature that only just passed the ACA before it exploded.
During the last year of that, Obama was denied the ability to nominate a Supreme Court Justice on an Election Year. Then, Trump got 2 nominees appointed to the SCOTUS, one of which was on an election year.
Denied as in dems were unable to or chose not to?
As in the Republican Senate decided they weren’t going to vote on any nominations from Obama.
As in republicans could veto the nomination?
Could dems veto the new justices?
Sorry im not American and am trying to understand. I thought dems could have but chose not too due to integrity.
How to appoint SCOTUS judges:
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Vacancy on Court (usually means the old Judge died)
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Presidential Nomination
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Senate votes to confirm
How to remove judges:
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Impeachment hearings in congress
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Senate votes to remove Judge
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The Senate has to confirm the president’s picks. The Republicans controlled the Senate during Obama’s last years in office. So they just didn’t confirm his pick. Their reasoning was that it was an election year. When Trump faced the same situation (supreme court vacancy in an election year), the Republicans still controlled the senate and confirmed his pick.
Ahh okay. When the President wants to nominate a new federal judge the Senate has to approve them. At the time the other party controlled the Senate. The effect was to leave the Supreme Court with an even number of Judges for a while, making tie decisions possible. They also broke their own rule once they had the Senate and Presidency. So they aren’t making arguments in good faith.
You had the first 2 years of Obama. Obama’s thanks for the ACA was voters not showing up and losing the house of representatives for year 3 and 4. And again for year 5 and 6. And then both the house and Senate in years 7 and 8. Congress is what passes laws and has power. They even shut down the freaking government under Obama.
Only Congress can increase the number of Justices on the Supreme Court. We had two years of congressional majority in the last twenty. They focused on healthcare.
They focused on healthcare.
And they gave us Romneycare
And even that was a monumental task. One vote away in the Senate, and that one guy got rid of the single payer option for the cost of his vote. Joe Lieberman if you want to look him up, the guy who started no labels political party (without a platform).
4 years, or 3 because of Scott Brown. But we just had 2 years. And Obama had 1 year.
More people (as a percentage of the eligible voting population) voted in 2016 than 2012, and more in 2020 than in 2016.
Finger wagging at people for criticizing the current ruling party (which is sending weapons to a country that is using them to commit genocide) instead of recognizing that we live in an undemocratic system is taking it out on the wrong people. Clinton literally won more votes in the election you’re saying people didn’t vote hard enough in. It’s spitting in the face of everyone whose votes were shat on by the Electoral College to turn around and blame the people who were disenfranchised.
No one is finger wagging for criticizing. They’re being chastised because they whining to everyone how they’re refusing to vote.
Criticize the fuck out of him. I don’t see anyone giving a shit about that-
FUCKING VOTE ANYWAY.
FUCKING VOTE ANYWAY.
the really makes me feel like voting, y’know? that really makes me feel like I should go out and vote. that seems like a good strategy
You should know what’s at stake by now. But If you want a list of reasons, there’s something called Project 2025 that has all the reasons you’ll need to vote for Biden in nice and handy, and easy to understand place.
I suggest you read it.
already seen it but thanks anyways
Riiiight. Didn’t think it would matter much to ya.
Who’s saying they’re refusing to vote?
That’s the topic of conversation here.
I get your point, but only 48% of registered Democrats voted in 2016. 25% were abstention due to dislike of the candidate.
Unfortunately, more Democrats need to vote than Republicans, because of the disproportionate weight of Republican states’ electoral votes.
I’m not seeing where in those links it says only 48% of registered Democrats voted? If I’m missing it please point it out. The overall turnout was about 60% of eligible voters, so Democrats pulling in less than that and STILL getting more votes would be shocking.
Getting angry at voters for not voting hard enough after turnout increases every election cycle should illustrate that yelling at people to vote harder isn’t a solution, it’s a stopgap. It doesn’t change that it’s an intentionally undemocratic system, and it doesn’t prevent the exact same “the person with less votes wins” result from happening again.
Not sure who’s downvoting you for asking for clarification. I think the person you responded to misinterpreted the first figure in their second link. It says among validated voters, 48% voted for Clinton and 45% for Trump.
Nowhere in those links does it say the percentage of voters by party registration that voted, and I can’t find it in any other searching either. Your 60% turnout of voting-eligible population comes up all over the place though.
I don’t see the downvotes since I’m on Blahaj, that’s funny though. Sorry for reading the sources I guess? The 60% figure was straight from one of the linked articles!
25% were abstention due to dislike of the candidate.
Sounds like the problem is with who the DMC puts up, then. If 25% of your own team refuse to participate you’ve got s fucking problem
Run better candidates to get more votes, it really is that simple. Blaming the voters just makes you look like a tool.
And thinking that Democrats are primarily progressive makes you look like one.
A better candidate for progressives would have been Bernie. DNC fuckery aside, he was very polarizing to half of the party.
Donald Trump lost the popular vote and was illegitimately placed into power by the broken electoral college system.
You’re half right. He won due to the Electoral College, but it was unfortunately legitimate.
It was legitimate in the same way that a dictator’s rule over their people is legitimate or hangings for blasphemy are legitimate. It may be technically written on a piece of paper somewhere, but someone who got less votes becoming president over someone who got more is not representative of a genuinely legitimate democracy.
“Whatever the Supreme Court says is legitimate” is a different sort than “systems that don’t deviate from serving their purpose are legitimate”
If the National Popular Vote gets 61 more electoral votes worth of states to sign, we’d actually have a direct democracy. Until then, land continues to get a louder voice than people in America.
Abby Martin has something to say about that …
That’s great. She’s an idealist. How do we abolish the Supreme Court when we can’t even get congressional majority for more than two years every twenty?
AOC Says She’ll File Articles Of Impeachment Amid SCOTUS ‘Corruption Crisis’
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s threat of impeachment comes after the court ruled on Trump’s immunity argument.
I’m all for it. I just have no clue how she expects to win that vote with House minority.
Well, if Biden would fucking stop dancing around the point, he could just force this. He has immunity now, after all
He doesn’t have sweeping executive powers. He has immunity from prosecution of crime related to official acts.
He can’t force a House vote. He may be able to wrongfully arrest a few Justices and get away with it.
Thank you, the number of people getting this ruling wrong is too damn high.
It’s not good but it’s not anything close to total power.
The wrongfully arrest a few justices was the point I was pushing there
Not just voter abstention, but ineffective voting too. Voting 3rd in this election is a surefire way to get trump back in office. If you wanted to stick it to Biden and get someone else, your chance was 4 years ago during the primary.
You’re not voting Biden because you like him, you’re voting Biden because you want to be able to vote for someone else in 2028. That is literally what is at stake here, and it can’t be said loud enough or often enough.
Before the “real left” quisling trolls respond, please tell us two things… Who is the 3rd party candidate you are supporting instead? What are their chances of winning this election?
I’m sorry I didn’t realize we elected presidents for 8 year terms?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Biden is very much the Democrat presumptive nominee. The time to select someone else was before he was President. The acting president is usually the nominee for their respective party. Also note that the DNC primary nomination is not the presidency.
We have absolutely aborted the campaigns of incumbent presidents before. The DNC and White House however worked very hard to shut down any criticism during the primary timeframe, refused to have debates, disburse money, etc
So if they’re going to treat this full election as a preference poll on Biden, then so will the people. And his approval numbers are bad.
We have absolutely aborted the campaigns of incumbent presidents before.
Once… Over 100 years ago…
https://www.npr.org/sections/politicaljunkie/2009/07/a_president_denied_renominatio.html
How bad do you want to roll those odds on trump getting elected again? Also, who are you supporting for president this time round, and what do you figure their chances are of winning?
I said aborted the campaign, not lost the nomination. Usually the candidates have the good sense to bow out before that happens.
Are you talking about Truman? One guy who started to seek the presidency, after serving 1.5 terms, and then pulling out before being the presumptive nominee? I don’t think history is on your side for this one.
Also, answer the questions please.
Edit: You actually said “We have absolutely aborted the campaigns of incumbent presidents before.” Implying that the candidate did not win their nomination. Let’s go ahead and put those goalposts back where they were initially.
Mitch McConnell specifically refused to allow Obama to appoint a justice while there was an election going on.
That’s true. Had Obama appointed a Justice we’d just have 5-4 rulings instead of the 6-3 we have now. Trump’s immunity would still have passed.
Well said, but sadly they are a lot of people here that don’t care. Which is ironic, considering the meme.
This Supreme Court is a direct result of Ruth Bader Ginsberg refusing to retire because ???.
Thanks again DNC. Couldn’t have done a worse job.
Don’t bring up reality.
Blame Republicans for the Democrats forcing the Supreme Court to be used as a voting carrot.
It’s all the lefties fault that they didn’t vote for corporate overlord Hillary Clinton.
maybe because neoliberalism is not the right tool to fight back against fascism
But without neoliberalism, who will protect us from the Far-Left Authoritarian Tankies?
Wierdos on lemmy not bringing up tankies in conversations that have nothing to do with them challenge level impossible.
Any anti-authoritarian ideology, especially some of the other far-left ones like libertarian communism, anarchism, etc. It’s not a world with only fascists, tankies, and neoliberals.
libertarian communism, anarchism, etc
Famous for their large, robust, and enduring governing institutions.
libertarian communism, anarchism, etc
famous for their large, robust, and enduring governing institutions.
Do you know what these words mean? It seems like you don’t, and you have resorted to speaking out of your ass.
Anarchism is a political philosophy against all unjust hierarchies, including the state and capitalism. It exists directly in opposition to what you are claiming.
Libertarian communism, even though it has the word that is probably scaring you, is usually pretty anti-government and strives for a minimal state, and self-government. A lot of the more marxist bookchinites I’ve met consider themselves libertarian communists.
Anarchism is a political philosophy against all unjust hierarchies, including the state and capitalism.
Unfortunately, its been tightly aligned with capitalism over the last half century. The whole Network State movement in California is a capitalist wet dream. Nevermind the various failed projects in Liberland or the Republic of Minerva, which ended up as little more than failed colonial projects.
Then you’ve got Anarchist figurehead Milei out in Argentina absolutely shredding civil liberties and public services for his own personal profit.
Fucking reprehensible.
Libertarian communism, even though it has the word that is probably scaring you, is usually pretty anti-government and strives for a minimal state, and self-government.
Name one actual libertarian commune.
unfortunately its been tightly aligned with capitalism over the last half century.
Clearly you know nothing about anarchism. Stop speaking about it like you know what you are talking about.
That’s simply not anarchism. Over the last half century, there has been an effort to co-opt it by the right. Libertarianism is literally a left wing philosophy in most other parts of the world, but some dunce-muppet named Murray Rothbard stole it as his own (p83) and on this page he even admits that it was a word used by anarchists, which he distances himself from. One of the foundational anarchist thinkers, Proudhon, literally says “Property is theft,” a complete rejection of fundamental property rights needed for an “an”cap society.
Stealing words from the lefties isn’t anything new, the Nazi party did with their “National Socialism” (granted there’s some interesting history with it. Even though all of the nominally economically left wing nazis were killed in the night of long knives, they kept the socialist bit). But to say Nazism was ever socialist would be parroting a pathetic right wing talking point that should have died a long time ago.
If you ignore the entirety of anarchist though, throughout well over 180 years of development and practice, where hundreds of thousands of people fought against authoritarianism, fascism, and capitalism, you could only lie through your teeth when saying shit that wack. Or, you would have to not know anything that you are talking about.
To say that failed “anarcho”-capitalist projects are the fault of anarchism, an ideology that rose in opposition to capitalism is ignorant.
And to consider Milei an anarchist, someone who is weilding the power of the state in service of right wing ultra-neoliberalism, you would have to be insane. If you don’t take my word that as anarchists we hate Milei, how about you check out this Crimethinc. article on Milei covering the topic from the perspective of an argentine anarchist.
I’m not a libertarian communist so my knowledge of this stuff is lacking, but I do know that Rojava, a radically feminist experiment inspired by Bookchin’s later works. It is based in NE Syria has been doing decently well. Especially considering it is under constant attack from the Turkish government, the second largest NATO military. They even managed to push out ISIS, which is an impressive feat for a new government. While they haven’t gotten rid of capitalism, they aren’t fully capitalist.
If you paid attention to the news during the trump years you might know of trump betraying the Kurds, which is usually how the media refered to Rojava.
Clearly you know nothing about anarchism.
This is the Anarchism At Home. If you want 19th century European anarchism, you’re going to need a boat and a time machine.
Rojava, a radically feminist experiment inspired by Bookchin’s later works. It is based in NE Syria has been doing decently well.
It’s a heavily armed Kurdish cut out that exists primary to fight proxy wars with Turkyie and the remnants of the Iraqi military. It has some excellent press around it, thanks to US/UK media needing a progressive champion in a region where everyone hates us. But there’s a word for a minority militant left wing proxy force.
Tankies.
This is the single most ridiculous post I’ve read on the Internet today.
“Anarchist figurehead Milei”. What are you smoking? It sounds like you think “anarchist” is synonymous with right wing “libertarian” or you think “anarcho-capitalists” are somehow anarchists, even though it’s an oxymoron.
Please 🙏🏻 I implore you, read any basic anarchist literature like Mutual Aid: A factor in evolution, the conquest of bread, Anarchy by Malatesta, Are you an anarchist? by Graeber, Anarchy Works by Gelderloos.
You are severely misguided.
What are you smoking?
you think “anarcho-capitalists” are somehow anarchists
The AnCaps bill themselves as Anarchists, adopt anarchist rhetoric and policy as it suits them, and fill mass media with their propaganda. They’re the only anarchists Western countries actually recognize.
read any basic anarchist literature like Mutual Aid: A factor in evolution, the conquest of bread, Anarchy by Malatesta, Are you an anarchist? by Graeber, Anarchy Works by Gelderloos.
I physically can’t find them under the waterfall of Ayn Rand, Murray Rothbard, and Peter Theil books crowding out the shelf space in my local book store.
Are these “tankies” in the room with you now?
This is Lemmy, so, yeah, pretty much all over.
The leftist fifth columnist menace is the single greatest threat to American freedom and liberty.
The leftist fifth columnist menace is the single greatest threat to American freedom and liberty.
Sure grandpa, sure. Let’s get you to bed!
Not before I’ve finished posting to Facebook!
“There’s no such thing as tankies” is the weirdest doublethink propaganda I’ve seen in a while.
“There’s no such thing as tankies” is the weirdest doublethink propaganda I’ve seen in a while.
Is that what you think I said? Interesting.
Doubling down, too. Fascinating.
Doubling down, too. Fascinating.
Doubling down on what tho?
What do you think you said? Because I took that as questioning their existence as well.
What do you think you said? Because I took that as questioning their existence as well.
What I didn’t say was “there is no such thing as tankies”. And what I implied, albeit subtlety, was that people bandy about this term so freely that it can really only be taken as “people I disagree with who might be leftist-ish”. The use of the term has morphed so much over many decades that it means essentially nothing… or, “whatever I say it means”.
It means: “Leftist” Who defends/supports regimes like Russia and China, and their use of Tanks to suppress thier opposition, hence the term.
It gets bandied about on Lemmy like crazy because theres a crazy amount of Tankies on Lemmy
But without neoliberalism, who will protect us from
the Far-Left Authoritarian Tankies?being able to live happily on a single income!!Having to work 3 jobs to scrape by is a small price to pay for corporations to further consolidate our economy into the pockets of like 10-20 people.
Anything less is tankie, now shut up and go find a 4th job commie!
Right. Voting third party truly is trying nothing, since we already know it’s pissing in the wind.
No you don’t understand voting is doing nothing and not voting is a heroic action worthy of Stalin himself
Put a sword in my hand and I’ll fight. Don’t give me a rusty metal stick.
Two days old and the memes already aging well as Bidens campaign says they don’t want to reform the Supreme Court.
Oof.
Yeah, it was too much voting by the young and lefties in 2016 that put Trump in power, don’t you remember?
A vote for Democrat is a vote for Fascism already.
Democrats are hard neolibs, which is another way of saying pro-Oligarchy (they want the State to not regulate Money, making the latter the greater power of the two, which is anti-Democratic since the State is led by elected leaders whilst Money is not) - in their pyramid of power, those with most money sit atop, then come them, then the State, then comes the rest - whilst Fascists put themselves atop, then the State, then Money, then the rest.
The “plebes” are not represented by either one (for either they’re just supposed to produce wealth and provide manpower to maintain the power and priviledges of the higher levels of the power pyramid), but they are different beasts from the point of view of the elites.
All this to say that a vote for a Democrat is not a vote for Fascism, though it’s also not a vote for Democracy or to actually be represented in any way in the power circles.
It’s a sad, sad state of affairs in the US.
So brave, so bold 🥲
That’s so deep. You must be proud.
I’m proudly standing against Genocide and the violent repression of free speech against it by the AIPAC regime.
its as if someone is voting facists in or maybe just not voting to keep them out. wierd.
Hmmm I wonder why they don’t do anything about? 🤔
Oh well I’m sure all those millionaires, billionaires, and their lackeys in both parties will want to stop it.
Well on the plus side I’m sure once they get rid of that whole separation of powers thing it’ll be a lot easier to do stuff.
Each time a leftist ask me to vote, my answer is “only if you unionize”. I don’t think we should rely and a political party that defend the bourgeoisie to organize the fight against fascism.
The consequences was losing the election in 2020, no? I mean Democrats are really, really, really bad at fighting back. Like bringing pool noodles to a gun fight bad. But saying they do nothing is a bit much.
“They go low, we go high”, has absolutely rotted Dem brains. Going low has worked pretty fucking well.
It’s not really a consequence, more like a slight slow down of their plans. All Democrats really do is not make things worse cause as soon as they “try” to make things better they run into some problems that you know the Republicans would never let stop them. So that just means losing elections is just a slow down rather than a serious consequence for Republicans cause eventually people will get tired of the Democrats not being able to do anything and end up either not voting or voting Republican.
Why would liberals lift a finger against the very people that will protect their precious status quo for them?
