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Guys you lost.
Yeah we beat them when they were them, but now they’re us.
They were us back then too, and we still beat them.
No. There’s a gigantic difference between nazis speaking freely and nazis running the country.
The USA supported the Nazis in the beginning and were reluctant to intervene. Then we did and took all the credit. It was to weaken Russia. Now the world is a global capitalist hellhole. Chynah is capitalist and Russia is capitalist. You are a subject. You are not free. Freedom is relative and bound by natural law. Unions need leverage. Thank gawd all men die.
It was for a variety of reasons that all aligned
when German u-boats sank the lusitania.. Wait that was WW1. I’ve gotta go read some wikipedia.
And this time can we forgo the special treatments for “usefuls”?
Like, for example, the commander of unit 731, who is a mass murderer and mass torturer, but since he had some medical data (which turned out to be worthless anyway) he got a new identity and enjoyed a nice free life
So say “we” as if we are in charge.
This isn’t Nazi Germany and there isn’t a genocide happening. Maybe figure out a way to handle those you disagree with, without violence. Is lemmy just full of psychopaths?
“There isn’t a genocide happening…”
Do you mean besides the one in Gaza, where U.S. money and munitions have been facilitating the bombing and starvation of children for over a year?
My question is rhetorical. If you have a response, I’m not interested in hearing it.
I meant in america, apologies.
lemmy is full of people that hate fascists. simple as.
Cool they also think everyone they disagree with is a fascist.
they think that everyone that fits the Definition of fascism, is a fascist
Good thing everyone has all of the information needed to make a sound judgment. Oh, we don’t have enough information? Well let’s just jump to a conclusion anyways because blah blah blah my opinion will save the world blah blah blah.
But we do, in fact, have enough information to call Trump a fascist (and thus anyone who is a suporter of his). The defintion of fascism, as stated by wikipedia is:
- far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement.
- characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition
- belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race
- strong regimentation of society and the economy.
- Opposed to communism, democracy, liberalism, pluralism, and socialism
Trump has, in the not so distant past:
- Claimed expanded executive authority
- refused to transfer power after losing an election
- has praised authoriterian leaders
- Frequently made appeals to racial and cultural superiority (e.g., calling certain countries “shitholes,” claiming immigrants are “poisoning the blood” of ‘America’)
- Attempted to delegitimize dissent or protest as unpatriotic
- Just a couple of days ago called the national guard (not sure if that’s the correct translation) on anti-deportation protesters
- Has, and is, sending deported people into de-facto concentration camps
- Has suggested using the military for domestic policing
- Has endorsed populist economic nationalism (tariffs, breaking international trade norms, attacking corporations that oppose him)
And much more, but let’s just jump to a conclusion anyways, right? Nazwałbym Pana debilem, ale tak nie wypada, to tego nie zrobę.
Fuck off, you piece of shit.
Shocking response.
Bro leave Pepe out of this ;w;
Why does the maga guy has a socialist party ghost?
A socialist party who does dragnet operations on socialists, communists and trade unionists.
Very socialist, that.
It should also have a USSR ghost
The trouble is: the poster misrepresents the situation. The guy wearing the red hat is the one holding the rifle and bayonet this time.
Sounds like you better fix that
So were the nazis. We just out rifle’d and bayonette’d them.
I’ve been saying for a while that the left in the US needs to embrace the 2nd ammendment.
Dark times are fast approaching… be prepared
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“nooo, don’t call the fascists fascists, they are just conservatives pining for a non-existent, ethnopurist, mythical past while deporting people to camps using emergency powers. That’s like, totally not fascism.”
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I’m old now and I’m still not a Nazi, fuck off.
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…what kind of dumb fucking response is this? LMFAO
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Fuck this nonsense, you’re just a kowtowing coward fuck, I have become far more progressive in my old age. You’re just a fucking coward and a tool making excuses for your lack of spine, we are not all as weak as you.
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Have fun dying as a coward choking on the cock of authority, if that’s how it is I’ll gladly die with the blood and flesh of fascists in my teeth rather than begging on my knees.
Fuck you.
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All I’m reading here is “if the authoritarian regime puts its dick in your mouth, just suck it to completion and then let them Put a bullet in your head.”
You are the exact kind of evil that these fuckers require you to be, you are an enabler of death and fascism, you feeble piece of shit. Get fucked and go die, the world is better off without the pawns of authoritarian rhetoric like yourself, you fascist piece of shit.
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Supporting and enabling fascists makes you a fascist, point blank, and asking stupid obvious questions just shows how fucking obvious your stance is. Get fucked, we know you’re not that stupid, you’re just a fucking cunt. We see you, and we will remember you.
The Soviets beat them. LOL
Shows how much you ‘socialists’ know.
No country alone beat them. The Soviets did more than the others but it wasn’t them alone
85 fucking percent.
You can dislike that all you want, these are facts.The Soviet people also did most of the dying.
And?
Perhaps stop glorifying things you don’t understand. The Soviet people doing most of the fighting and dying is what the West wanted all along.
Giving credit to whom it belongs when some fake leftists claim it was the west and in doing so showing they are wrong is a sign that “I don’t understand”? LOL
By killing them. You can’t defeat a nazi in debate, but you can hang them.
Can we reclaim the Pepe?
From the only licensed Pepe plush.
From Boy’s Club comics to appropriated alt right symbol (WT actual F tho), Pepe has often been misunderstood. That’s why we work with his creator Matt Furie to make the only officially licensed Pepe toy out there. Feels good man.
We partner with youth shelters and people who care to make sure all of our goodies do some good…ies.
It’s already been done. I’ve seen tons of regular ho-hum non-racist Pepes the past few years since Matt Furie killed off the character in the official comics.
I mean the vast vast majority of them have always been innocuous. The racist ones were always very rare pepes
They never had pepe on their side it was just a scam
Be the change you want to see in the world.
no
But the call is coming from inside the house this time.
Bingpot!
Yeah, the two most prominent examples of fascism in history (Germany and Italy) were only beaten by a combined military power much, much greater than them. Even as they were literally being bombed into rubble and their military situation was beyond hopeless, they never overthrew their fascist leaders.
Yep. And the most prominent fascist power that wasn’t overthrown externally (Francoist Spain) lasted 40 years until it’s demogogue died. The reason it wasn’t a bigger problem for the world at large was that it was a politically isolated minor power.
The world hasn’t yet seen something like an (openly) fascist modern USA.
Maybe they’re only the most prominent b/c they weren’t stopped?
They won in 2014
The call was always coming from inside the house - fascism is just colonialism coming home to roost, after all.
“Fascism is imperialism turned inwards.”
And then turned outwards again
I came here to write this exact statement I’m glad to see somebody else already did.
Would we have beat the nazis if they just stayed in Germany?
Nope, they sat by and watched as Germany sunk into fascism and began their ethic cleansing and putting people in cattle cars to take to camps, if Germany had never invaded Poland they would’ve continued to sit by and do fuck all.
After Germany invaded Poland they have continued to sit by and do about fuck all for a year.
Nope. The US, UK and France weren’t waging war on fascism in any way whatsoever - they were waging war on rival empires.
That’s the whole reason they never went to war with Francoist Spain - they helped him into power, after all.
That’s the spirit 👍
We never beat them.
The west ensured that Nazism survived, filling the ranks of West Germany’s security services with them and then institutionalising fascist terrorist groups all throughout Europe through it’s “Gladio” networks. Japan’s economy was essentially just handed back to the very same pack of colonialists and industrialists that had fuelled Japan’s imperialism in the 20s.
Hell, even the Romanian Communist Party got in on the act - those vicious Iron Guard bastards were just too good at torture and murder to pass up, I guess.
So no… we never beat them.
Maybe it’s too pedantic of me but I think we beat them. We failed to fix the corrupted system that spawned them. The inequity and the propaganda, The oligarchs pitting a second to each other. Marginalizing groups as scapegoats.
We (the US) let those little those freedom checks and balances we were touted in school be destroyed with barely a whimper
You are doing a fantastic job of pitting one group against another, so apparently knowing the problem doesnt make you immune to it.
You’re wrong, they did not fail it was intentionally.
US/UK made sure plenty of fascists escaped after surrendering to them.
Kept them in power in all of Europe with a slap on the wrist at most.
How many nazis where trialed at the Nuremberg virtue signaling trials? 24.
NATO literally had fascist regimes in it, France, Portugal, Greece.
Even leading NATO/EU and various countries. .All of this has been swept under the carpet.
https://ebeggin.substack.com/p/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reich
https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2024/01/12/nato-as-seen-from-one-who-grew-up-under-us-sponsored-neofascism-unherd/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB_Gs-0dhOoScratch a fascist and a liberal bleeds - see, that’s how you can tell that we did not, in fact, defeat the fascists - if we did, liberalism would be dead and buried, too.
Instead, we allowed “liberal democracy” to nurse fascism back to health, hone it’s murderousness by using it as a tool of colonialist domination, and pretend to be shocked when these fascists just suddenly show up to protect their precious capitalist status quo back home in the imperial core.
None of that was an accident - when we say fascism is just colonialism coming home to roost we don’t mean it figuratively.
Eloquent, but also bull#$%. What would you do? Execute every last person in Germany and Japan to make sure you rooted out the fascists? None of the fasscists that were alive then are in charge of what’s going on now. The neofacisct groups have nothing to do with WWII other than they decided to celebrate them. This isn’t the problem of an organization allowed to thrive and grow, it’s an ideal that’s being picked up by people and used as a tool.
Oh, it’s “bull#$%,” eh?
No, Clyde, I’ll tell you what is actually bullshit - people like YOU literally WATCHING both liberals and fascists play their respective parts to protect the status quo right in front of your goddamn eyes and STILL pretending that any of this is some great mystery to you.
That’s bullshit.
Hold on, I’m trying to find my tiniest violin while I block you.
You’re up for three more years of your liberal overlords pretending to dislike fascists while they tell you to “vote harder” - you might want to save that violin for yourself.
