• SulaymanF@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Last time 300 missiles overwhelmed Israel’s defenses and they needed US and Jordanian support to take out most of the attack. Both sides learned from the last skirmish.

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      3 days ago

      Countries do this in general because those projectiles are violating these countries’ sovereignty. Iran doesn’t ask these countries for permission to have their missiles go through their airspace, they just do it. No country is going to allow another country to endanger it’s people by sending through its borders without their consent, so they just take them down.

      In this case, Jordan is under the protection of the US and they have American bases and use American systems. So when something like this happens, Jordan works in coordination with the US to take the missles over its borders.

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        1 day ago

        You think Jordanians care more about an abstract concept of sovereignty than over their literal Palestinian brothers being genocided?

        The king can use this excuse as much as he wants but we know it’s because of US pressure.

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          6 hours ago

          I actually lived in the Middle East (Iraq and Syria), and sovereignty over there means something different over there than in the west. It means stability and that is something that’s scarce and precious. Think about the countries surrounding Jordan, none of them are truly sovereign. They’re all flooded with proxy groups from the US, Iran, Turkey, Gulf states, and/or Russia that have led the countries into being failed states plagued by civil war, extremism, and violence. Jordan is like an oasis in the Middle East, and the people there don’t want to change that any time soon.

          Jordan has it’s problems, the monarchy is definitely corrupt and unpopular, they population very much doesn’t like Israel, and they are sympathetic towards the Palestinian cause, BUT they are NOT willing to sacrifice their lives, their country, and their stable lives for them. Keep in mind, Palestinians aren’t exactly well liked in Jordan. There are two reasons for this.

          The first is that the Palestinians tried to overthrow the government and nearly plunged the country into civil war not too long ago (Black September). Jordan fought wars on the behalf of Palestine, and so this event didn’t set will with Jordanians. The second is that because Jordan is stable, the country has been the go to destination for refugees from Iraq, Syria, and Palestine for decades. Around half of the country’s population is refugees. As you could imagine, this has stretched the state to its absolute limits and has put the economy in shambles. It doesn’t help that since a lot of the refugees are impoverished, they tend to be way more involved in crime and they have been causing mayham in Jordan’s big cities like Amman, Zarqa, and Irbid.

          Long story short, the real world isn’t a Lemmy circlejerk. No country is dumb enough to risk their stability so they can seem morally superior to ideologues on the internet. It’s easy to sit there and wag your finger while you’re sitting in your comfortable home far away in the US or Europe. But to the people actually living there, nothing is worth sacrificing themselves over. To you things like stability and sovereignty are vague and abstract concepts because none of this personally affects you. This is why people like you are willing to fight for Palestine to the last Jordanian citizen without understanding what that means.