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If a person impersonating a cop spouted out some random digits when I asked for their badge and serial number, I doubt I would be able to tell the difference.
That’s what the call is for- you ask the local office if they can confirm that that officer is actually on patrol, exists, etc. Idk how that would work for ICE though; I don’t think you can just call up the federal ICE headquarters.
That’s not what the post says. It says call 911 if they refuse. It gives no guidance on what to do if they respond.
Bruh… It’s like 630 in the morning where I’m at. Take your non constructive bullshit somewhere else.
This always makes me think, if you resist an “ice agent” because they have not identified themselves, your not liable right? Like if you go infront of a court wouldn’t you have a good case to say, “they didn’t identify themselves, I thought I might be assaulted or kidnapped by someone”
There is a reason why they suspend due process.
You are being kidnapped.
Next protest literally everyone should dress up in the same outfit the ICE officers dress in. Who would they arrest?
Impersonation a federal agent is a felony.
I was in autopilot reading this like don’t dress like cops then I remembered the cops aren’t dressing like cops. (I’m very sleepy.)
Skip straight to step 3. Just call 911. These guys aren’t fucking around, and neither should you.
Exactly what I thought. If their intent is to kill you they aren’t going to mess around while you ask several times threatening to call the police.
Utterly delusional to think any of that would work. At every step you would just get your face beaten in. When the cops come they too will just beat your face in.
Thinking you can castle doctrine a squad of ICE agents is equally delusional. You could probably take a couple out but you’d still die in the end and be risking the lives of anyone that lives with you.
The only solution is well known and already in practice in places like LA: have an active community response force that will show up and intimidate and harass the ICE agents. All of the previous delusions assume you, alone, can stop an ICE with just your privledge.
No badges, no uniforms, driving unmarked cars and wearing masks? I think any person could successfully argue in court that they thought they were being kidnapped by criminals.
If ICE is coming for you, then you’re not seeing court. If you’re some interfering bystander then maybe you will. But then you’re plan to lie to the judge and say you didn’t know? The judge will see through you’re bullshit immediately.
Like that could only work if you actually were ignorant and even then you’d have a long up hill legal battle to establish the precedent that its sometimes OK to shoot law enforcement. IANAL but I think thats a liberty the state has never been conceded.
You never get to court, that’s the point the previous comment is making.
As an individual trying to stand up to them you’re somewhere between being either completely ineffectual or making the situation worse. Having the law on your side doesn’t matter because it’s impossible for you to summon the enforcement of it fast enough to help you, assuming they even would.
A local community response that will mobilize and appear in your neighborhood in seconds is basically the only way to respond quickly with enough force for them to care about.
court
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You’re probably right, but you’d have to make it to court. Not everyone does…
There were posters stapled to phone polls in my area with what to do when ice is around. Demand id, demand a warrent etc etc.
The next day there were news stories of ice not even caring about any of that.
They do not care about the law. Lock your door and hide. If you’re a neighbor tell them no one’s home. That’s about as much as you can do as an individual.
Tbh this is my plan if I see them, but starting with the calling 911 about the masked gunmen abducting my neighbor.
You know the cops watch the news too and will immediately guess what your up to. At best this is just trolling the cops. At worst you’re calling back for ICE.
show up and intimidate and harass
Well, show up and exercise first amendment rights certainly!
Second*
Sometimes you resist even if you know you will lose. At least it spends their time and exposes them to lawsuits.
If you want to be as annoying as possible out of spite or martyrdom I can respect that. But that’s what it’d be.
Don’t even engage; just call 911 immediately. If they’re not proactively proving their legitimacy they’re already guilty.
No. When an armed, masked man with no ID assaults you, you fucking shoot him dead, or do your damnedest.
or do your damnedest.
RIP
… So anyway, I started blasting …
No ID = No authority.
Tell that to their handcuffs and guns.
I guess I should have said “No legitimacy”.
Ideally while having someone who isn’t you record the interaction, so when they drop you to the pavement and your phone ‘regrettably’ gets smashed to pieces, there’s still some external record of what went down.
Livestreaming the encounter could also potentially work. But yeah, ideally you probably want as many different camera angles and recordings as you can.
You’ll probably just get shot
ACLU blue
What’s a good alternative!?
I’m not sure. I just looked that up, saw it shut down, and wanted to share.
Except HSI and ICE don’t have badge numbers, so you’d say, “What’s your name and call sign?” The call sign is most commonly a letter followed by 3 digits. ex: A-123
https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Customs_and_Border_Protection
They wear the masks so they can’t be identified. They don’t want their kids friends and school friends to know that what they do.
I don’t think they care what their family thinks of them … I think they care about how angry democratically minded citizens see them as unidentified fascists hiding behind masks
If what you are doing is legal, legitimate and moral … then you never have to mask your name or hide your face
If what you are doing is illegal, immoral and highly dangerous to everyone including you and your family and you know it … then you are more apt to want to hide your identity and avoid having to deal with the repercussions of what you know is wrong
If what you are doing is legal, legitimate and moral … then you never have to mask your name or hide your face
Disregard this, hide your face at protests people
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That’s gonna be a non starter. If you ever have a thought that starts with “target kids” keep it to yourself and work on it.
It didn’t start there. It took 30 years to get past “we’ve tried everything to teach them to be human” and now it’s time to check what’s coming up on the list.
And we know one place they definitely won’t charge in guns blazing is to protect kids in schools. We’ve seen it twice now, in both Uvalde and Broward counties. If Texas and Florida won’t do it, nobody will.
Yeah still not ever going to be viable or acceptable. Once you bring kids into this to get what you want, you are a republican/Nazi.
Fuck that.
Teethe > jugular arteries, for anyone who needs that pointed out, in case you find yourself in arms length of one of these terrorists.
While perfect advice for a shark, zero percent of the humans who read this will actually do that without being actively George Floyd’ed
Just food for thought.
That sure sounds like something a shark would do
You could just rotate the shark.
Why are you bringing
ussharks into the conversation? That’s so weird. You’re so weird.
Yes still our enemies of oppression and facasium.
Before you finish your first word, you’ll be facedown on the floor by 4 ICE officers telling you not to “resist”
I found a “Dont Resist” tshirt for you:
https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Resist-Shirt/dp/B07NCV8C49
Also this one: “Give Up. Lie down in the woods and let the moss reclaim you”
Saw this today maybe someone you know can be added to the list https://icelist.info/
