Libertarians of NH are famously stupid and terrible at everything though so I wouldn’t worry too much.
I work adjacent to education, and as such see a lot of high school transcripts come across my desk. The bad news is that there are absolutely tons of bad actors who use homeschooling as a way to indoctrinate kids to their insane, unsubstantiated worldview.
The worst news is that there’s a ton of private schools and even some public schools doing it too. Schools across the U.S. are teaching creationism as fact, climate change as theory, and some of them even have the gall to consider their “Biblical Science” classes as honors level. If your only argument against homeschooling is indoctrination, it’s not a very good one. In states like Utah and Oklahoma, you’d almost have to homeschool your kid just to make sure they’re receiving a real education.
no he meant hung: swinging around a huge trouser hog
I’ve known many people who’ve participated in home schooling as teachers or students. A wide variety of “teaching” goes on, some of is just a more personal relationship with your child’s formal education, on the other extreme, you have people like OP referenced… and everything in between.
The NH libertarian party is a fucking joke, it’s just insane people running it. I honestly can’t believe the main party hasn’t fully disengaged themselves from them. They’re not even libertarians, as this post, goes %100 against the NAP, which is one of the foundations of libertarianism.
goes %100 against the NAP
The Non-Aggression Principle was always a swiss-cheese ideology. Looks great, tastes great, but its full of giant holes. It isn’t rooted in some foundational legal understanding of assault and battery, or property theft or damage, or reputational slander, or financial harm. The basis for the NAP boils down to “Are you to blame for my anxiety?” And the prescription response for a violation is “Anything I think will make me feel better.”
It’s exactly the kind of reasoning that gives the term Anarchism a bad name. No common code of conduct or shared understanding of the world. Just a million little free radicals riding the tide of their insular views and knee-jerk reactions.
Can agree, for the longest time I loosely considered myself libertarian, just along the lines of “your rights end where mine begins”. Seeing the type of people in the party was really eye opening seeing that my initial thoughts didn’t match up with the reality.
O I completely agree, I just thought it was funny that they’re basically doing the exact opposite of one of the foundations of libertarianism relies on.
I think calling them free radicals is an insult to organic chemistry.
Some of the Libertarians want the children to be hung.
Nah, they want children to able to work dangerous jobs, and to consent.
Lack of being hung probably didn’t help with their path down the libertarian rabbit hole.
*hanged
That doesn’t help with matters before they become libertarians.
I think this model of education is damaging to kids and the government should do something about it
I’m going to train my kids to fucking kill you
Most normal libertarian response
What’s more libertarian than a good old fashioned southern lynching?
Being harassed by bears.
Knowing the age of consent in every jurisdiction.
This is so accurate
Despite having agreement with rightoids, homeschooling should be illegal. If your kids have autism or some other social condition, it should be considered an extremely severe form of child abuse. I went to a special high school and there was an autistic kid there who was homeschooled for middle school to keep him away from it and it fucked him up. Even at our school he didn’t really have any friends and that was an accomplishment. In order to not fit in where I went, you had to seriously work at being a jackass. There was a kid with very severe autism and he fit in better then the home schooled kid who had potential to be “passing.”
I think homeschooling is an excuse to have your older children babysit the younger children all day long and that they get zero education, and I agree it probably should mostly be illegal. I will make exceptions for kids dealing with severe anxiety or something.
Kids like that would be the most harmed I think. Kids need to learn to get over their anxiety issues. Public schools harm autistic kids by creating spaces where they never have to get outside of their comfort zone. You will fail in the “real world” if you can’t handle overcoming “anxiety.”
What’s the consensus on homeschooling from lemmy users?
Would be great if home schooling had some laws around not teaching your kids to be christofascist terrorists
Or even just some laws that require you to prove you have a lesson plan at all
Like I posted above, the biggest issue with home schooling. Is it almost always is used to brainwash the children towards extremism.
It can be great, but a lot of states have literally no standards for how it’s done, and most (all?) of the rest have very weak standards. I’d be fine with it if there were real standards requiring parents to educate their kids and not brainwash them into being Nazis.
Washington state has yearly testing standards to ensure education is level with peers. I know a lot of people who’s kids are homeschooled here who are constantly exceeding scores of their peers. One parent is a 6th grade teacher in public school, while homeschooling her own kids. But even those without credentials are having high scores. Having a community and peer to peer collaboration helps too.
Given how difficult it can be for a trained teacher to successfully manage lesson plans and teach one or two subjects, it’s not hard to see why homeschooling is a disaster for a lot of kids who wind up being taught by a single parent with minimal to no education credentials.
Best-case scenario I’ve seen is that the students wind up pretty un-rounded, and wind up excelling in one or two subjects, while neglecting basically anything else. It makes sense from the perspective of the parent as well. That might be the subject you’re most familiar with, and therefore can, even unintentionally, give it the most attention. Another aspect is wanting your kid to succeed, and if you see them excelling in a subject and doing poorly in another, there’s a tendency to just keep focusing on that since they’re doing so well on it, rather than “wasting time” on other subjects they’re not excelling in.
Only 2 people I’ve ever known have managed to be what I’d consider “successful” after homeschooling. Both went to the same engineering school that I did, and did extremely well overall. However, they suffered many of the same issues in terms of over-specialization, which becomes really apparent when you talk with them for an extended period of time. Usually they also tend to be incredibly socially inept, but fortunately for these guys their parents gave them a ton of opportunities for socialization with clubs and social hobbies, so that wasn’t as apparent, but still something that a lot of homeschool students miss out on.
Realistically, I think the only way you could feasibly manage a truly quality homeschool education is with both parents having an in-depth education of 2-3 subjects (like 5-6 years minimum), in addition to at least some formal educational training. Then, bringing in home tutors for the subjects they likely won’t be able to cover nearly as well to supplement them. Finally, having them enrolled in an absurd amount of sports/clubs/hobbies to make up for the 6 hours of social contact with other kids they’re missing out on.
With that being said, it’s a fuckton more effort and money than almost anyone is going to actually put into a homeschool education, and 98% of the time it’s going to be a stay at home parent with minimal to no credentials buying lesson plans off the internet, brushing up on them the night before, and likely giving lackluster instruction on most subjects.
I’m generally OK with it, except when these kinds of doofuses do it. At best they want children to be indoctrinated to their ideology, at worst they’re abusing their children.
My daughter was very severely bullied in her middle school and we put her in an online school she does from home, but it’s a public school with classes (via videoconference) with actual accredited teachers and the same awful Pierson textbooks everyone else uses anyway because Pierson, unfortunately, runs the program despite it being a public school.
She got the best grades she’s ever gotten and gained a ton of self confidence when she was self-harming before.
Not exactly homeschooling as it is usually thought of, but she does do school from home.
Incidentally, this also means I can correct the information in her health class about things like cannabis and can also make sure she understands that her social studies class is often giving her the right wing or corporate viewpoints that are typical in American schools. She knows she still has to answer their way, but at least she knows what they’re lying about when I can show her that they’re lying.
What sort of stuff do they teach about cannabis in health class that’s so badly wrong? I am not an American so I don’t really know.
I remember in ours while they talked about the dangers of drugs in some disingenuous ways, they also put a lot of emphasis on the dangers of alcohol and nicotine. Specifically I remember them comparing either alcohol or nicotine to cocaine or cannabis or something and saying that the nicotine was more addictive than the illicit substance.
Cannabis isn’t nearly as harmless as people like to think, but that doesn’t mean it’s as harmful as others would have you believe. It’s certainly less physically destructive and somewhat less addictive than something like alcohol which should always be considered a “hard drug”.
The biggest lie is that it is a “gateway drug,” that using it will end up getting you addicted to heroin or whatever. They also classified it as a unique drug, different from any other illegal substance in the U.S.
I talked about it here: https://lemmy.world/post/15142373
In regard to other substances, they pushed AA, which is not scientific and has not been shown to be effective for most people (although it does work for some) and said absolutely nothing about pharmaceutical treatment for smoking or alcohol cessation.
That’s what I remember from the top of my head, but there were other things too.
The gateway phenomenon does exist. It isn’t caused by the substance itself but rather by it being illegal. Using it puts you in contact with people who sell or use other illicit substances. Legalisation would fix this issue obviously.
Cannabis is from a unique class of substances (cannabinoids) named after it. This is because it was the first known of its type, and combines stimulant, depressant, and hallucinogenic effects. I don’t know about it’s legal classification in the USA, but here it’s a standard Class B substance.
I agree about AA and NA though. There really shouldn’t be any room for such religious nonsense in state policy, or just in general.
Good if you’re actually able to do it properly, but there’s a lot of cases where the parents really shouldn’t be doing it.
I’ve got a sister and a sister in law who both homeschool their 4 children each. Those kids don’t know how to read. It makes me pretty sick.
That’s… Sad. My kindergartner knows how to read already.
Fine if you’re not a lazy, racist idiot who’s actually just scared their children might become friends with black kids and otherwise shouldn’t have passed sixth grade themselves.
Fascists: do fascist things
Liberals: correct their spelling, then allow them to continue because fascism doesn’t threaten capital
Homeschooling is technically the opposite of fascist approach. As in “state being in charge” vs “parents being in charge”.
That said, some parents are just too dumb to allow them full control over their child’s education. Just in my case it was their “try harder” attitude about school, while something like homeschooling would work much better.
Imagine an autistic adult who never dropped the imitation and missed on most good things in life, trying to impose the same onto their autistic child who at least understands that imitation takes too much energy and isn’t worth shit (and is seen right through by NT people anyway), thinking that their fake smiles, stupid loud nonsense talk and even fake hobbies (as in those they know nothing about, but talk a lot in public) don’t look that, and also being scared shitless of the very idea of going to a therapist (“I’m/you’re NORMAL”, this is common in ex-USSR though), and, finally, actively sabotaging any idea to isolate their stupidity and ignorance to them. That would be my dad.
Other than personal examples, there are good and bad parents and there are good and bad schools and there are good and bad education systems.
Parents generally don’t groom their children to become cannon fodder, some education systems do ; parents generally don’t want their children to be fooled by politicians, and education systems are directly influenced by those politicians ; parents generally care for their own children to have some successes, while for Prussian-style school systems it’s normal that some are just discarded, if the majority becomes good drones.
Libertarians believe that they should have the benefits of society, without any of the responsibilities that come with it.
They’re house cats.
There’s a pretty interesting book about New Hampshire libertarians called “A Libertarian Walks into a Bear”. It’s about a libertarian utopia that was overrun by bears.
There are some good articles about it too. It was part of their attempt to turn the state of New Hampshire into a “free state” run on libertarian principles.
Turns out libertarian principles included not picking up garbage in bear country.
Also, some of the geniuses were actively feeding the bears.
Maybe I’m just cynical but literally nothing surprised me in the book.
Nut jobs with guns? Check.
Nut jobs feeding bears? Check.
Nut jobs accused of sex crimes against children? Check.
Nut jobs infighting about muh freedoms? Check.
Nut jobs surprised when
leopardsbears eat their faces? Check.
Context?
Or is this a reply to the person saying homeschooling should be illegal?
Why is microblogging UX so strange?
Someone tweeted that homeschooling should largely be illegal.
Someone else quoted the tweet them and said people like them should be hung. Quoting a tweet is like replying while also saying, “HEY, EVERYBODY, LOOK AT THIS!”
Then a third person corrected the second person’s grammar.
It could be assumed that the second person was homeschooled, but there’s no evidence within the picture to support that.
Because you can quote someone without actually speaking to them, and the UI has to show that as well as replies to that exchange.
It’s not perfect but it makes sense in context. Also, they all have timestamps so that should make the progression obvious.
Live and let live?
Nah, hang em.
School is important but politics is importanter.
