Mike German, an ex-FBI agent, said immigration agents hiding their identities ‘highlights the illegitimacy of actions’
Some wear balaclavas. Some wear neck gators, sunglasses and hats. Some wear masks and casual clothes.
Across the country, armed federal immigration officers have increasingly hidden their identities while carrying out immigration raids, arresting protesters and roughing up prominent Democratic critics.
It’s a trend that has sparked alarm among civil rights and law enforcement experts alike.
Mike German, a former FBI agent, said officers’ widespread use of masks was unprecedented in US law enforcement and a sign of a rapidly eroding democracy. “Masking symbolizes the drift of law enforcement away from democratic controls,” he said.
Remember, remember the 5th of November, the gun powder treason and plot. I see no reason the gun powder treason should ever be forgot.
I always wondered if there were people that watched the history of Nazi Germany and didn’t feel immediate revulsion from it.
I mean I just grew up thinking that it was universally true that people thought that fascism and authoritarianism is bad in the US. Like Nazis are bad guys and SS guards were cruel and inhuman. All the usual things.
But there are actually people in the US that would have gleefully cheered on the rise of fascism in Germany and would have been right there to sign up to be SS guards and brown shirts, beating up Jews and gays and socialists and executing them in the streets.
Like, monsters really do live among us. I really didn’t think that that kind of detestable subhumans existed in modern America.
The American Gestapo AKA ICE are objectively bad people. There’s no other way to frame it. They are just bad people, evil, violent monsters who should be purged (jailed) from society.
I can’t imagine growing up thinking “I want to be just like those and SS animals”. Like where did their mothers and fathers go wrong? Total sociopaths.
Oh my sweet summer child. If you really believe this, then you haven’t spent much time around conservatives. I was raised by them. Nazism was/is taken lightly, like a silly joke (that’s why you saw so many people smiling and laughing at Elon’s Nazi salute at the inauguration). Never seen as a serious threat—even today—as it starts to actually become one. The vast majority of conservatives are either in denial over the rise of Neo-Nazism, or are just straight-up Nazis themselves.
I’m not in the US but that’s truly chilling to hear. When you’re not surrounded by it, you don’t realise how normalised something becomes in a different part of society.
It’d be ashamed if they were to get bear sprayed on their masks and had to remove them.
Nah bro, aerosolized coyote piss. Get that up in their mask. Or just a super soaker full of it.
Don’t ask me how you get the piss, just know it works.
You can get it from hunting supply places in bottles. Sometimes people also buy coyote pee for putting around their gardens to spook off the deer.
Now serial killers and pedophiles can larp and kidnap children and adults too.
All Thanks to ICE!
DONAKD J TRUMP
“Okay, girlie. No sudden moves or I’m putting one in your gut. If you scream, my cop buddies around the corner will be all over you.”
“But I’m being nice. If you stay quiet and come with me, I’ll smooth things over with the force. We won’t have to break all of your bones before letting you go.”
“Now get over here. I’m going to take you somewhere special. You’ll love it.”
Awwww…nobody ever loves ME enough to want to kidnap…
I’ll kidnap you. I’ll even throw in mailing a severed finger to someone for free.
What fucking sucks is that they are criminalizing wearing KN-95s to protests in state laws because apparently they’re so dangerous while simultaneously saying that these guys need masks to protect themselves.
Why the fuck do the cromagnons in office think I’m still wearing a KN-95? So I can cosplay Blade Runner at work? Because I am a duck furry and this is a subtle way of fursuiting? For the high fashion? Because I am taunting non-mask-wearers? NO, IT IS TO PROTECT MYSELF.
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I dunno about the MAGAs, but I think at this point, with COVID very low in the USA, most people are wearing masks because it sends a signal about where they stand on COVID, not for their own protection. Obviously there are some people who are particularly vulnerable, who can’t have the vaccine for example, for whom mask-wearing will remain important forever (and would likely have been beneficial before the pandemic) but I don’t believe that’s the majority.
The reason is that mask wearing in my home country went down to zero after most people were vaccinated and the virus became uncommon. But here mask-wearing was never politicised, so without an anti-mask group to oppose it never became a symbol for those who did wear them.
You’re wrong, but, keep cooking fam. COVID is only “very low” in the US because we have pulled all funding for PCR testing, contact tracing, and wastewater level analysis. COVID didn’t go away; we just stopped caring once it got a little more tolerable, symptoms-wise.
I wear masks still because they are PPE — PERSONAL protective equipment. I can’t trust anyone to consider me and my immunocompromised state, so, I wear a mask to try and at least protect myself. I’m not making a ‘statement’, and your notion that I am can eat my entire asshole.
Stick to speaking about your home country. You clearly don’t understand the situation on the ground here.
I just got Covid from an outdoor event in the summer.
The masks have nothing to do with COVID. To protect themselves means to hide their identity so people can’t dox them and harasses them at home.
I know. But they are making COVID masks illegal to wear at protests because they are claiming that we are anarchists trying to to hide our identities. Meanwhile, these same cowards covering their face to protect themselves were the same cowards screaming bloody murder at the beginning of COVID that they can’t wear a mask because of 'health issues.
US law says if you see someone being assaulted, and the perp is not identified as law enforcement, you can kill the attacker in defense of the person being assaulted.
Of course the same goes for self defense.
If someone is assaulting you and not identifing as law enforcement you can kill them in self defense.
What is the legal qualification for “identifying as law enforcement”? Can I don a mask and tacti-cool gear and shout “ICE federal agent” as I attack someone?
Genuine question, because that’s what’s happening
I would say showing a badge, and them waiting patiently while you can call in to confirm their legitimacy with their org.
The precedent tho is that anyone who identifies as law enforcement is supposed to be believed.
People are impersonating ICE all the time these days, its reasonable to not believe someone is an ICE agent based on word alone. If a person killed an ICE agent assuming he was an imposter then a judge might not throw the book at them, considering our current climate.
You can but ICE “plaques” of 5", approximately the right size, here: https://americanplaquecompany.com/product/dhs-ice-badge-plaque/
I wouldn’t be able to tell that from a legitimate badge
So many of the videos I’ve seen are of supposed officers forcibly kidnapping people without giving a badge number or warrant (some claim there are no badge numbers for ICE, but likely that was a fake officer. They certainly aren’t letting people look up a contact number for DHS
Also feels like the administration is waiting for someone to resost so Trump can label them a terrorist and make an example out of them, despite it being perfectly legal self-defense
As much as I like the way you think, I don’t think that would fly in an American court of law. You don’t need to see their face to know their a cop / law enforcement. They’re wearing a uniform.
A lot of them are plain cloths
A lot of ICE agents aren’t wearing a uniform. The domestic terrorist in Minnesota was wearing more of a uniform than 90% of ICE agents
Some brave patriot needs to test it and demand a jury trial
Y’know, funny thing about masks like that, they’re real absorbent and don’t block much other than visibility and direct skin contact. Bet they’d be ripping then off real fast if they smelled something bad enough to puke.
At this point, my first reaction to seeing anyone in law enforcement at any level is they are a criminal thugs that cannot be trusted, should be undermined at every opportunity, insulted relentlessly, and if necessary, worse. I know there are some good cops, and not everything they do is bad, but goddamn they do they suck in general.
Would you think the same in another country? In Canada? Or in The Netherlands?
I don’t have experience with either of those places but when I was in Rome, Italy it was plainly obvious that the 5 or 6 different kinds of cops, none of whom were helping people, are useless thugs and goons just like the Americans.
I heard this one recently: Take 100 gallons of dirty sewage water and add 1 gallon of clean water. What do you have? It’s not 101 clean gallons of water or even 100 gallons dirty and 1 clean anymore…
You now have 101 gallons of dirty fucking sewage water.
ACAB (and soon to be ACAN ~ All Cops Are Nazis)
Works the other way too.
If I take 100 Gallons of clean water and dump a gallon of sewage into it, would you pour yourself a glass?
One bad apple spoils the bunch. Good point!
excuse me, but that is shit logic.
people are indivisible, which makes them different from a gallon of water.
As human beings, our interests, philosophies, politics, etc, yes.
As workers in a job, not so much. The analogy works in that scenario. We all conform, to varying degrees, to the groups that we join. Especially when that group is your full time employ, where you spend most of your time and gain most of your money.
There’s a HBO show called The Wire that is amazing, and I would recommend to anyone to watch, but particularly to yourself because “Simon has said that despite its framing as a crime drama, the show is “really about the American city, and about how we live together. It’s about how institutions have an effect on individuals. Whether one is a cop, a longshoreman, a drug dealer, a politician, a judge or a lawyer, all are ultimately compromised and must contend with whatever institution to which they are committed.”[5]”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wire
Trailer: https://youtu.be/1S5khOZ1wBs
Warning: it is slow paced, it’s more like reading a book on your screen than watching a traditional TV show, but it’s worth it
Analogies aren’t perfect, but they usually get the point across. Maybe the “one bad apples spoils the bunch” sits better? Apples are indivisible like people.
If I buy a bunch of apples and one is bad, then I simply don’t eat the one apple and throw it away. Similarly, if there’s one bad cop I just imprison it based on their illegal actions.
The thing with the US police force is that enough of them are bastards, and nothing is done against their behavior, that you always have to assume that any one of them is a bastard. If it was only rare single bad cops and they would be immediately removed on first infraction, I’m sure there would not be a problem with the police.
This is the rational truth and I think it was very simply expressed, without needing to say “All cops” nor “one bad cop makes everything terrible”. There is theoretically no need for generalizations in intelligent discussion. The problem is that many people are too stupid or not interested in intelligent discussion, at which point these generalizations might become necessary simply because of practical limitations. But we should strive to use the more accurate statement if possible.
You’re missing a critical part of the apples analogy. When apples start to rot, they release ethylene gas which is a plant hormone that accelerates aging in nearby fruits.
So by the time you found the rotten apple, it has already spoiled the bunch.
I’m not really missing it. It’s just an unfitting analogy. People don’t have to work like rotting apples.
If one single person is being stupid we punish them/cast them out. The problem with people is that a large amount are being bad.
They are all bad. Cause the good ones can’t or don’t do anything about the bad ones. And if they do they usually hurt themselves for some reason. So since the good cop can’t or won’t do anything about the bad one it makes them bad.
You put a good person in a shit department and they leave or become shit themselves ; either way, they whole group is still shit.
Humans aren’t a gallon of water, but you’re naive if you think we’re not influence-able just the same.
Doesn’t matter all cops are bad. Yes there might be a “good” cool but since they can’t or won’t do anything about the bad one they’re bad. And the shitty thing is if someone tries to eat out a bad cop they are the ones who get take the shit. So yes all cops are bad.
Fascism isn’t some nebulous concept on the horizon. Or maybe hiding around the next blind corner.
It is literally here. Now. Right now.
Wake up call. America has secret police (gestapo) now.
Yes, what to do about it?
general strike
I’m going to write my senators and hold up a sign, with a polite yet firm wording, in a very peaceful protest
My advice is, anybody who can leave the Untied States should
I mean, I’m cool with it until the doxing of their families stop. If I were them, I’d do it too.
The problem with letting law enforcement hide their identities are diverse, destabilizing and dumb. Accountability for enforcement is already very improbable in the US, now you wouldn’t even know if your abducter is on ICE payroll because how would you?
There are already laws about doxing, why do these ICE need/deserve more protection? If I were them, i’d quit and not be an active part of turbo-eroding (destroying?) democracy.
If the shit you are doing is so narfarious that you are worried people will find out you’re doing it then you probably shouldn’t be doing that shit.
It’s not about people seeing them. They weren’t masking up until people started going after their families. They weren’t wearing masks before the doxings. Stop the doxing and the masks go away again.
Braindead take
If I were them, I’d do it too.
Then you’d be a fascist fuck taking part in secret police (gestapo) actions.
If you wear a mask and provide no identification and are abducting people off the street into unmarked vans going to undisclosed locations where we know they aren’t receiving due process, then you deserve the worst, including doxing.
Hey, stop… Gestapo did never wear masks or did hide their identities.
bunch of pussy. Too afraid to show their faces.
In fact, if I ask for identification and they dont provide, I’ll call them: Mr. Pussy #1, Mr. Pussy #2…etc.
But we’re FREE from the tyranny of forced education and health care, puh-raise JEE-zuz-ah!
Any person hiding their identity while carrying a weapon should be shot and killed on sight. I am with the GOP on this point.
Reminds me of Squid Game
