The first one of course that’s what I meant its determined by the counties laws, no human rights.
The second if you had 100000 show up and not pay tax, you would start changing your mind. The point was the laws for the country you build are established by you, not those arriving
Why would they not pay tax? They’re living here, working here, buying things here. Those are where we collect taxes.
When your rational for “your parents came here illegally, so now you have to live in a country you’ve never known and don’t speak the language” is “someone might not be paying taxes”… You’re being cruel to no purpose.
What constitutes “cruel and unusual punishment” is also defined by the laws of countries. That doesn’t mean that we don’t determine that some punishment is a human rights violation. Likewise, deciding to punish someone for the behavior of their parents is violation of human rights.
First one: situations like the UK that had very good social support (Dole) even if not working, and so everyone flocked there from neighbouring countries in Europe and middle east and abused it. You had rampant fraud. Not every person is a hard working tax payer, some people are opportunists.
Anyway, just so you don’t get the wrong impression, I’m not a believer in the USA removing Birthright citizenship, I’m just arguing the facts about countries choose how their own citizenship works, not some fundamental universal idea. Like there is that human right belief in democracy. But going to North Korea and demanding they be democratic because its your human right to access it is not going to happen.
The first one of course that’s what I meant its determined by the counties laws, no human rights.
The second if you had 100000 show up and not pay tax, you would start changing your mind. The point was the laws for the country you build are established by you, not those arriving
Why would they not pay tax? They’re living here, working here, buying things here. Those are where we collect taxes.
When your rational for “your parents came here illegally, so now you have to live in a country you’ve never known and don’t speak the language” is “someone might not be paying taxes”… You’re being cruel to no purpose.
What constitutes “cruel and unusual punishment” is also defined by the laws of countries. That doesn’t mean that we don’t determine that some punishment is a human rights violation. Likewise, deciding to punish someone for the behavior of their parents is violation of human rights.
First one: situations like the UK that had very good social support (Dole) even if not working, and so everyone flocked there from neighbouring countries in Europe and middle east and abused it. You had rampant fraud. Not every person is a hard working tax payer, some people are opportunists.
Anyway, just so you don’t get the wrong impression, I’m not a believer in the USA removing Birthright citizenship, I’m just arguing the facts about countries choose how their own citizenship works, not some fundamental universal idea. Like there is that human right belief in democracy. But going to North Korea and demanding they be democratic because its your human right to access it is not going to happen.