That thread is really something. Like every picture of Ukrainian soldiers has some fascist symbol or other, but they still say there’s no Nazis in Ukraine.
There are some good people there. Being in the USA, I do seek US news, so I’m there. Lemmygrad has one too but serves as a catchall, like the other.
Listen, I’m probably a decade or two older than the average Lemmy user, and it wasn’t until the last year, give or take a few months, that I was able to suspend disbelief, first, come to believe a fair amount later, and take a whole lot from either instance with a few kilos of salt. Governments propagandize, fact of life. I first came here to dispute, too, and was provided links from Western media that allowed me to suspend disbelief and seek more information. I don’t have an issue with honest dis/believers. I would be extremely hypocritical if I did. But it’s pretty gross that the people who pay for these unnecessary wars with blood and money refuse to even suspend disbelief and seek real answers, and I’m not even better than that, because it took me over three decades to develop empathy for Palestine (because I found Internet forum of users who gave factual, documented information, like .ml does), and another couple of decades to believe about Ukraine - Russia.
The thing is, when I first went on .world some of those exact same people were loud disbelievers about Palestine, too. Now the whole instance just about is. Will they come around about Ukraine too? Hopefully, before the is as due as Palestine. They’re developing an ambivalent attitude about China, will they about Russia? I don’t know.
The attempt to staple the Ukraine issue to Palestine was cynical from the start, comparing a response to 10 years of US-funded terror bombing + pillaging against DPR & LPR to the latest offensive in a war of extermination the Israelis are devoted to for the existence of their settler state and the interest of the US ruling class that enables it. The equivocation being made there runs along with the narrative of the orgs that try to paint the AoR as divided & endangering Palestinians, such as Al Jazeera and much of the Western alternative media
They boil down the differences of the conflicts & the combatants to “people talk about Ukraine too much and Palestine not enough” - and this rarely includes any actual critique of the media outlets & NGOs that funnel money to Nazi mercenaries in broad daylight despite masquerading as media critique
The standards are part of RAND’s ongoing project on “truth decay”: a phenomenon that RAND researchers describe as “the diminishing role that facts, data, and analysis play in our political and civic discourse.”
Nice ty RAND will post a lot of junk in between the full scale admissions of fucking up a proxy war or being vastly behind in refueling capacity to go to war with China directly, I often miss this kind of thing
Well I wasn’t trying to connect them, just showing how my attitude changed with each and thinking if mine can, others can, but I hope this situation in Ukraine doesn’t drag out that long. I suppose it depends on how long my compatriots are willing to sit and fret while convincing themselves the incremental sacrifices now cost less than the bigger, more sudden sacrifices later but we’ll see, if there’s not a global MAD until then.
I take the whole nuclear conflagration thing a lot less seriously than I should these days. It’s drummed up a lot by the antiwar left in the imperial core countries, along with the psychological health of veterans, and the national debt. I just can’t take the atomic clock seriously knowing it’s used to pressure against nuclear proliferation that is more likely to restrain the USA than anything.
But yeah personally I think the simplest path for a lot of people is save up money and move out of the increasingly risky US system rather than pouring money into the US housing market (which is unfortunately the same direction the social democrat wage struggle heads). It’s personally fraught and generationally insane, I wouldn’t condemn a child to the US so uhhh yeah I just left lol
The Nazi instance is trying to instigate brigading again. 🙄
Eta: https://lemmy.world/post/32323822
That thread is really something. Like every picture of Ukrainian soldiers has some fascist symbol or other, but they still say there’s no Nazis in Ukraine.
Lot easier for them to accept there are US-backed Nazi torturers than to admit this war is lost
We’ll get a delightful Trump stab in the back myth and everything, many predicted this
Is there a bigger loser than cm0002 on lemmy?
I’m joining the chudlympics on the side of the lympics
Wowie, every day I learn more and more how overly insane those worlders are, straight nazism and bans for wrong think over there
Wow I didn’t know there was a Hall of Fame here, too bad I have World blocked!
There are some good people there. Being in the USA, I do seek US news, so I’m there. Lemmygrad has one too but serves as a catchall, like the other.
Listen, I’m probably a decade or two older than the average Lemmy user, and it wasn’t until the last year, give or take a few months, that I was able to suspend disbelief, first, come to believe a fair amount later, and take a whole lot from either instance with a few kilos of salt. Governments propagandize, fact of life. I first came here to dispute, too, and was provided links from Western media that allowed me to suspend disbelief and seek more information. I don’t have an issue with honest dis/believers. I would be extremely hypocritical if I did. But it’s pretty gross that the people who pay for these unnecessary wars with blood and money refuse to even suspend disbelief and seek real answers, and I’m not even better than that, because it took me over three decades to develop empathy for Palestine (because I found Internet forum of users who gave factual, documented information, like .ml does), and another couple of decades to believe about Ukraine - Russia.
The thing is, when I first went on .world some of those exact same people were loud disbelievers about Palestine, too. Now the whole instance just about is. Will they come around about Ukraine too? Hopefully, before the is as due as Palestine. They’re developing an ambivalent attitude about China, will they about Russia? I don’t know.
The attempt to staple the Ukraine issue to Palestine was cynical from the start, comparing a response to 10 years of US-funded terror bombing + pillaging against DPR & LPR to the latest offensive in a war of extermination the Israelis are devoted to for the existence of their settler state and the interest of the US ruling class that enables it. The equivocation being made there runs along with the narrative of the orgs that try to paint the AoR as divided & endangering Palestinians, such as Al Jazeera and much of the Western alternative media
They boil down the differences of the conflicts & the combatants to “people talk about Ukraine too much and Palestine not enough” - and this rarely includes any actual critique of the media outlets & NGOs that funnel money to Nazi mercenaries in broad daylight despite masquerading as media critique
Indeed. Previously:
Also previously.
Nice ty RAND will post a lot of junk in between the full scale admissions of fucking up a proxy war or being vastly behind in refueling capacity to go to war with China directly, I often miss this kind of thing
Well I wasn’t trying to connect them, just showing how my attitude changed with each and thinking if mine can, others can, but I hope this situation in Ukraine doesn’t drag out that long. I suppose it depends on how long my compatriots are willing to sit and fret while convincing themselves the incremental sacrifices now cost less than the bigger, more sudden sacrifices later but we’ll see, if there’s not a global MAD until then.
I take the whole nuclear conflagration thing a lot less seriously than I should these days. It’s drummed up a lot by the antiwar left in the imperial core countries, along with the psychological health of veterans, and the national debt. I just can’t take the atomic clock seriously knowing it’s used to pressure against nuclear proliferation that is more likely to restrain the USA than anything.
But yeah personally I think the simplest path for a lot of people is save up money and move out of the increasingly risky US system rather than pouring money into the US housing market (which is unfortunately the same direction the social democrat wage struggle heads). It’s personally fraught and generationally insane, I wouldn’t condemn a child to the US so uhhh yeah I just left lol
Here’s hoping I win the lottery, huh? 😉
Hey it’s actually possible on a modest salary, you just need to a pick a country that pays its workers and will let you in
Which countries are those?
Don’t those same people often accuse hexbear of brigading?
All. The. Time. While doing it themselves. And whinging about djt doing it
Reminds me of the old Chapo sub getting the exact same treatment