• Gerudo@lemmy.zip
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    16 hours ago

    The old school dems will team up with the majority of Rs and nothing will change. Anything to keep progressives from taking power.

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      6 hours ago

      That would turn the Democrats into a progressive party, which would have nation wide positions, proper party infrastructure in every state and some funding systems. Given how few vote for third parties, that would be a huge win for progressives.

  • tal@lemmy.today
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    18 hours ago

    I don’t think that it’s going to work. I assume that the people who most aren’t happy are moderate Republicans who can’t stand Trump and company:

    Disgruntled Republicans sick of being bullied by Donald Trump and Democrat centrists imperiled by the Left are secretly having conversations about forming a third party in American politics, The Swamp can exclusively reveal.

    But they aren’t gonna be enough votes alone. The people they’d best get along with are probably moderate Democrats, but the Democrats just ran Harris, who is also pretty moderate, so I doubt that moderate Democrats are especially upset at the moment. I think that they’d have a tough time attracting a bunch of moderate Democrats.

    If you had just had an election between, I don’t know, Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, then maybe you could try to run off with the Democratic center.

    The second problem is that the US electoral system always stabilizes around two big-tent parties. It can be disrupted temporarily, but you’re gonna eventually get two parties. If one or both of the Big Two parties splinter, they will just reform into a new two parties in a few years. So even if you get people who are unhappy with the status quo, once things stop shifting around, you’re gonna have two big-tent parties again.

    It’s not clear to me that introducing a new party solves problems here. Like, you want a different coalition, you can do that within the parties. You’re gonna have to make concessions and sell people on it, but long run, you’d have to do that with a new party too.

    EDIT: I guess technically they could get a few Greens, but the American Greens are more of a left-wing protest party than specifically being anti-carbon or whatever, the way the German Greens might be. That’s probably not gonna have much overlap with moderate Republicans. And there’s the Libertarian Party, which might like more relaxed borders and lower barriers to trade, but LPers probably aren’t going to generally be really enthusiastic about a muscular foreign policy, which I bet the unhappy people want.

    EDIT2: My guess is a more-likely outcome, if the GOP stays Trumpy post-Trump, is that a bunch of Reagan Republican types give up on Trump, just join the Democratic Party and get some policy concessions out of the Democrats.

  • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.social
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    19 hours ago

    All these left of fascist, but still love some good old fashioned racism and misogyny shitheads, will hopefully leave some room for more progressives on the left, and the Right will continue in just more dysfunction.

  • foggy@lemmy.world
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    20 hours ago

    Can you imagine if we end up with trumpublicans, democrats, muskrats, and some 4th part made by defecting democrats and republicans?

    That might actually work out.

  • Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world
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    Yeah, nah, we’re good dawgs. The democrat-republican third party would just be what the Dems are now - a right-of-center status quo capitulation party. Fuck every single one of you and your mothers. Have a good day.

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      8 hours ago

      Realistically, the end goal is to replace the democratic party with the new one and abandon the growing progressive wing to obscurity.

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    Wish they were in discussion to overhaul our fptp voting system. Any third party is doomed to fail, by design, until first past the post is in the rear view mirror.

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    20 hours ago

    The article doesn’t name names and only mentions “centerists.” Those can all fuck off and make their own party. It will split the republican votes the most.

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        20 hours ago

        It’ll be hard for Democrats to decide between the existing center-right capitalist status quo party and the new center-right capitalist status quo party. Meanwhile most Republicans just know they love fascism.