• Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    And nationalism is bad, because? Nationalism when taken to the extreme can be bad because it’s extreme, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with fascism.

    • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      9 hours ago

      Nationalism when taken to the extreme can be bad because it’s extreme, but there’s nothing inherently wrong with nationalism.

      What you just described, this “mild nationalism?” There’s a word for that: patriotism. Nationalism is extreme patriotism.

      Nationalism: an ideology that elevates one nation or nationality above all others and that places primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations, nationalities, or supranational groups

      -Merriam-Webster Dictionary

      And when nationalism becomes even more extreme, it becomes chauvinism or jingoism.

      Chauvinism: undue partiality or attachment to a group or place to which one belongs or has belonged; excessive or blind patriotism; an attitude of superiority toward members of the opposite sex

      Jingoism: extreme chauvinism or nationalism marked especially by a belligerent foreign policy

      When Hitler promised to build a wall around Germany to keep immigrants from diluting German culture during his campaign, that was nationalism. American isolationists were/are nationalists.

      The Republican Party in the 90s and 2000s was a nationalist party bordering on chauvinism. The party of Trump is a jingoist party that hits every definition of chauvinism at the same time.

    • pissraelian@lemmings.world
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      15 hours ago

      Nationalism is for loser with a shit life. When you never did anything on your own, you need to preserve self esteem and you start takingbpride in things that was never in your control, like the country you’re born or the color of your skin

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      15 hours ago

      If you cannot see, why the ideology that brought us both World Wars, Russias war against Ukraine and so many more modern conflicts, was the base of colonialism and neo-colonialism, imperialism, 20th century slavery, fascism, zionism and that let us buold borders where thousands die every year, you are lost.

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        This is just a piss poor understanding of history, nationalism, and geopolitics.

        Let’s take the Ukraine war as an example. Russia is not a nation state, it’s an empire. Empires are usually multiethnic, hierarchical, and expansionist, ruling over diverse peoples through centralized authority and often unequal legal or political status. Ukraine, on the other hand, is a nation state because it’s organized around a shared national identity that is defined by common language, culture, or ethnicity, and it treats all of its citizens as equals under the law. This war is basically between Russian imperialists who want to expand the empire and Ukrainian nationalists who want to defend their nation.

        Using your flawed logic, Ukrainians are bad people because they believe in and are actively defending an ideology that you falsely attribute to everything bad to has ever happened in the world and in history. That’s just nonsense.

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      17 hours ago

      there’s nothing inherently wrong with fascism

      Can I ask what your definition of “fascism” is?