So, if they shut down and a new org called “Palestine Initiative” that happens to be coincidentally led by the same folks… all good?
I support Palestinian action in the UK
They are doing this because Palestine Action has been incredibly effective. They have already forced the closure of two factories in England that produce arms for Israeli defense company Elbit and forced Barclays Bank to divest through sustained sabotage campaigns. No person has been hurt by their actions, yet these actions have cost the genocide supporters millions of pounds and caused months-long disruptions to the production of weapons used in ethnic clean songs around the globe (Elbit weapons are fueling not just the Palestine ethnic cleaning, but Kashmir and DRC, too).
15 minutes to go! If you’re gonna say it, be quick!
Is it Illegal to say
"It is illegal to say…
I support Palestine Action."
?
Flashback to…
Did you know that it’s illegal to say “I want to kill the president of the United States of America”?
(couldn’t get piped to load search results :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmiKenqLVAU )
It may also be illegal to refuse to give over passwords for your devices. For trivial stuff this doesn’t apply but a terrorist group it likely does.
So remember to practice good data security.
Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
Let me refine: “Fuck the Israeli government!” I have no beef with the country / people insofar as they hate their genocidal government.
i have bad news for you in regards to what israelis think about the genocide
Brainwash is real. However, I am disappointed that you completely ignored the “insofar” limitation to my statement.
Looks like the UK is going down the American road here. It’s time for all those UK citizens that said, “Rise up now!” to Americans months ago…time to rise up! Give us a great example!
Oh, you can’t because you have to work for a living? How about that…
UK has always had that 1984/Brazil (the movie, not the not-movie) vibe; it wasn’t all just pulled out of Orwell’s magic butt.
There is also legislation that can be used to arrest most protestors. And you can face a multi-year prison sentence if you say something wrong on social media.
The UK is actually further along the dystopian path than the USA in some ways, but as is tradition they are trying to pretend it’s not happening.
During the Korean war a British unit was being overrun by the Chinese. The American general asked the British Colonel how things where and the Colonel said its a bit hairy. While the American general took this to mean they are ok. They got overrun and everyone in the unit was killed or captured.
Make signs that say “I support ________ ______” and let the media fill in the blanks for you.
Ah it’s referring to a particular organization, Palestine Action
Death to Pissrael!!!
The harder they push their pro-Israel agenda, the more anti-Israel everyone is going to get.
You can’t bully us into supporting a genocidal regime.
I have a feeling they can. If all discourse over social media is anti Palestine and no one can refute it, I give it 10 years max before it would just be a frothing hate for Palestinians with a significant amount of the population.
They are already trying to do this and failing miserably at it. Censorship itself is an admission of guilt and is something that people are really starting to understand. That’s basically the point of my original comment: the harder they try to stop dissent, the more guilty they look.
Information can also be spread offline.
This is why the Fediverse and VPNs/Tor etc. are so important.
My fucking brain is so fried.
Both my parents were in World War II. They fought against fascism. I was brought up to feel for what happened to the Jews during that war. Now all I see is that they seem to be being worse than the actual Nazis.
Israel =/= the “Jews”.
Israel’s founders were actually very prejudiced against Jews that survived the holocaust. And much more against the ones that didn’t actually…
What Israel is doing is very much Nazi like. But saying such will get you banned on Mastodon.social, and probably prosecuted in places like Germany.
Yeah, nah.
The only people who win when you conflate Israel with all Jewish people are Zionists and Neo-Nazis.
You cheer for censorship when it aligns with your beliefs. Yet call the slippery slope a “fallacy.”
See what happens?
I can sort of see the point you’re trying to make (as I too in a comment have called for censorship but in a different and very specific context), but I feel that you’re not exactly acknowledging the issue being discussed in this thread which is that people won’t be able to state their thoughts about the government of a country that is killing people en masse.
It’s a moral position that should be easy to support: it’s wrong to ethnically cleanse a population of people.
When I commented that certain speech should be punished, it was in the context of speech that is easy to fact-check and speech that directly harms people. The expression of being against the current government of Israel doesn’t harm anyone (other than the masters behind the scenes, but even then it’s just their money/control being targeted).
Now that’s a good looking straw man.
This really is a big part of it. A lot of Democrats weren’t upset about authoritarianism & fascism, they were upset it wasn’t their version.
Can you give an example of what you mean?
I can think of people saying those who post misinformation that promote hate crimes should be held accountable. Aimlessly claiming trans people are pedophiles or saying you should lock up all 62,000,000 Latinos because of their ethnicity means they are automatically criminal shouldnt be promoted.
Those wants are for the same reason sites like Lemmy have rules. Is it because Lemmy is pro Authoritarians and Fascists? I don’t think so.
Freedom of speech was never the liberty to say anything, it was the ability to speak out against your government. If someone is publishing that lead paint can cause harm to the populace, it is in the best interest of the population and shouldn’t be censored, but if I am publishing that water based paints are causing cancer with no scientific backing of my claims because I run a oil based paint company, that information should be refuted and be held liable for impacts caused on water based paint companies.
Just because your argument is fallacious doesn’t mean the conclusion is wrong.
“Black people are hot therefore they should be treated equally” is an example that I can immediately come up with.
I support Palestine action
Righto chap, hop in the prison lorry then!
I’m calling the rozzers
home sectary put it with neo-Nazis. You don’t want to back neo-Nazis, do you?
