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    Hey can you remind me of the history of Azov Brigade?

    Facts are facts. I’m not sure why you think it’s coming from a Nazi who supports the Ukrainian genocide but I’m not sure there is a Ukrainian genocide.

    Maybe we can talk about the actions of Ukraine in the donbas region before Russia’s intervention?

    Fucking idiot. Pick up a history book and a political theory book.

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      Hey can you remind me of the history of Azov Brigade?

      Facts are facts. I’m not sure why you think it’s coming from a Nazi who supports the Ukrainian genocide but I’m not sure there is a Ukrainian genocide.

      Maybe we can talk about the actions of Ukraine in the donbas region before Russia’s intervention?

      Fucking idiot. Pick up a history book and a political theory book.

      Imagine, a Nazi repeating all the usual misinformation in defense of fascist imperialism.

      Fuck off, Nazi.

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        Nationalism researcher Andreas Umland wrote that the Azov was created by “an obscure lunatic fringe group of racist activists” and has “a contradictory, if not paradoxical history of cooperation” between organizations involved in its creation

        The unit has drawn controversy over its early and allegedly-continuing association with far-right groups and neo-Nazi ideology

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade

        Maybe you should do a little more reading.🤔

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          From your own source:

          According to an analysis published by Foreign Affairs, after the Azov armed formation was incorporated into the National Guard of Ukraine, “the government’s first act was to root out two groups within Azov, foreign fighters and neo-Nazis, by vetting group members with background checks, observations during training, and a law requiring all fighters to accept Ukrainian citizenship.”[79] The fighters who were rooted out were offered the chance to join civilian volunteer corps.[79]

          In March 2015, USA Today interviewed a self-identified Nazi drill sergeant within the group, who said that “no more than half” of his comrades are Nazis and that when the war is over they will march on the capitol to overthrow the Ukrainian government.[217] In the same article a spokesman for the Azov Regiment, disagreed, saying that “only 10% to 20%” of the unit’s 900 members were Nazis, and that this was their personal ideology not the official ideology of the unit.[217]

          Also in March 2015 a Reuters report noted that after the unit’s inclusion in the National Guard, and its receipt of heavier equipment, Andriy Biletsky toned down his usual rhetoric, while most of the extremist leadership had left to focus on political careers in Azov movement formations such as the National Corps party or the Azov Civil Corps.[80]

          In the years immediately following its integration into the National Guard, a number of experts and commentators stated that the radical right-wing ideology associated with the battalion had become more marginal, or that it did not make sense to describe it as a “neo-Nazi” regiment.[306][307][308] Analyst Vyacheslav Likhachev later claimed that the “right-wing radicals” who had remained in the formation after 2014 were “cleaned out” by the new regimental leadership in 2017.[212]

          In March 2018 a former USAID official commented that the real danger was not the original paramilitary group, but the civil movement Azov had spawned.[309] Bellingcat, an investigative journalist group, has traced ties between the Azov movement and American white supremacist groups.[17] Michael Colborne of Bellingcat, writing in Foreign Policy in 2019, called the Azov movement “a dangerous neo-Nazi-friendly extremist movement” with “global ambitions”, citing similarities between the group’s ideology and symbolism and that of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shooter, along with efforts by the group to recruit American right-wing extremists.[287] In a 2020 Atlantic Council article, Bellingcat’s Oleskiy Kuzmenko wrote that the far right in general significantly damaged Ukraine’s international reputation creating a vulnerability to hostile narratives that exaggerate its role.[17][310]

          In 2019, Minister of Internal Affairs Arsen Avakov, who had helped found the battalion and overseen its incorporation within the National Guard, claimed that “The shameful information campaign about the alleged spread of Nazi ideology (among Azov members) is a deliberate attempt to discredit the ‘Azov’ unit and the National Guard of Ukraine.”[311]

          I know you love playing apologist for the genocide of the Ukrainian people by parroting “Ukronazi” propaganda literally and directly from the Russian fascists whose boots you so adore, but I reiterate:

          Fuck off, Nazi

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            Their patch is literally the symbol of the SS.

            And that doesn’t change the fact that they do subscribe to me and I’ll see ideology just because the state goes to defend them doesn’t mean that it’s not true.

            See the USSR killed all the Nazis. And insured they felt the weight of their crimes the 11 million dead. I am sure Hitler would be proud of his little Brigade finding itself in an official government Army with no plans on stopping the ideology out.

            Wonderful.

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              Nice ‘refutation’ of the quotation of your own source disproving your point.

              I reiterate:

              Fuck off, Nazi

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                In the same article a spokesman for the Azov Regiment, disagreed, saying that “only 10% to 20%” of the unit’s 900 members were Nazis, and that this was their personal ideology not the official ideology of the unit.

                self-identified Nazi drill sergeant within the group, who said that “no more than half” of his comrades are Nazis and that when the war is over they will march on the capitol to overthrow the Ukrainian

                Comrade I worry about your comprehension skills if you miss these very specific quotes in the very thing that you quoted at me.

                Let’s not forget that it also completely backs up my previous comment.

                I worry that if these are the debate skills you bring to the political stage that you will make liberals look foolish.

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                    You notice what’s not in the article and what you haven’t addressed is the fact that there’s no plans to deal with this problem. We know it will spread.

                    Comrade you’re blind. You should not be leaning anyone let alone posting in a politics community if this is the way you debate.

                    Edit: Not more than half of my comrades are Nazis.

                    You’re tolerance is going to bring us to the wolves.